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collection of data and more data allows

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these incidents at no point in your

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rambling incoherent response were you

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considered a rational thought

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having listened to it

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Sprague here from somewhere in the skies

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and welcome to the 300th episode of the

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podcast I can't believe we've made it

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this far uh you know when I first

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started the show I reached out to a few

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of our guests that are going to be on

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the show tonight and a lot of other

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podcasters have said am I crazy

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um is anyone gonna listen does anyone

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care what I think about UFOs and it's

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clear that for some strange reason you

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guys continue to care what the hell I

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have to say about UFOs but I think it

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has a lot more to do with the amazing

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guests we've had on the show from

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episode one up until 299 and tonight so

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yeah what better way to celebrate the

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300th episode than with the drop of the

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UAP report the long-awaited UAP report

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is finally here did it live up to the

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hype

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we'll talk about that with our guests

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um so without further Ado let's just

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bring them in I will say hello to

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everyone in the chat in a little bit but

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let's bring in our guests for tonight

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first we have the one and only Micah

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Hanks what's up buddy how you doing Ryan

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great to be here with you and a happy

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300th and of course uh you and I have

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done a lot of programs together over the

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years where we kept it a duet but I

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think for episode 300 we better make

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this a Tres Hombres type affair right

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absolutely man and I couldn't think of a

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better person than your colleague over

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at the debrief and that is the one and

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only Christopher plane welcome to

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somewhere in the skies again my friend

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yeah oh man gentlemen nice to see you

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thanks for having me out Ryan excited to

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talk about some nonsense today yes

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indeed we're gonna get a lot into the

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nonsense I mean you saw at the top of

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together from the Pentagon briefing that

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happened uh right after the report

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dropped out what's the end part of that

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clip from I recognize that

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one of Sandler's early movies

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that briefing we'll talk about the

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report in depth uh hey it's finally here

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so there obviously this is what

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everyone's been waiting for two months

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late but it's here

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give a shout out to two very special

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people we've got James Craig with a 20

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Super Chat congratulations 300 episodes

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Ryan many more thank you James he's

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always a huge supporter of the show and

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Cheryl happy 300 you've come a long way

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baby thank you Cheryl very very kind of

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um to help celebrate the show and to put

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money back into the show so that we

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um but let's just let's dive into it

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guys so January 12th uh there report

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of the Director of National Intelligence

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authorization act and was created by the

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the Thanksgiving holiday back in 2021

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the predecessor which actually was the

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resolution office but they had

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Thanksgiving holiday it was announced

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arrows activities in advance of this

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see this report at the last minute

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likely see that report and it still

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didn't arrive so you know a lot of

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of responded to this report with very

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lackluster uh you know attitudes they

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say because if anything there seems to

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all the reasons for that but I'll just

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say this what little this new report

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does convey is actually of significance

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and Bleak though people's interpretation

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of it have been you know didn't meet

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expectations it doesn't give us all the

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Wright-Patterson Air Force Base no none

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of that's in the report but there is

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finally dropped well first of all I just

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found it really suspect how quickly

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second or third time that something that

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the dod put out and almost immediately

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the the brief has an article out so if

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they want to connect the dots there but

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people before it came out was here's

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General Nathan Twining kind of get a

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team together and uh and kind of before

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that memo was uh that UFOs are not

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fictitious or Visionary but they are a

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uaptf report raised enough flags and saw

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enough interesting cases and enough

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unknowns that I'm talking about the June

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2021 report that they said all right

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let's go ahead and put an organization

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together let's get them some funding and

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official that the group is together this

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the situation and that's become a very

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controversial document whether it did or

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didn't exist the first director of the

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that first estimate of the situation

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personnel aviators that were on that

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team and again it was considered the a

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blue ribbon panel that team they put

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together for uh project sign came back

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and said the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

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is still at this point the best

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hypothesis

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so I think that's probably if I were to

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say what's the most frustrating thing

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here for us

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is you like to think that in Military

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and intelligence circles they regularly

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do an estimate of the situation and so

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when I argue with people about UFOs or

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our own MJ benais and I like to go at it

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from time to time privately my thing is

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always where's a military estimate on

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say for instance the Tic Tac incident

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because your options there are very

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limited either the pilots are making it

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up they hallucinated or they saw exactly

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what they described they saw and we can

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get into that later as Mike has told me

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he's heard there might even be some

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better incidents than that incident from

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some inside people I don't know if he's

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allowed to talk about that but

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um my that I think that's the

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frustration we're at is we're at the

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point where we want to hear the military

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uh put their money where their mouth is

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and give us an estimate of the situation

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say this is what we've looked at these

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are the unknowns this is what we think

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is the best answer for the unknowns and

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we're still just kind of getting it oh

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you know in the first report it was I

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don't know

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100 something or whatever and they had

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21 that had anomalous white

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characteristics or whatever and in this

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one it's like 47 of the cases were

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completely unidentified and the ones

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they did identify were characterized as

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a balloon or balloon-like objects

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meaning not identified but just now we

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think that's the best bet so

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um I think that's the frustration the

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one other point I would add to that is

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we want to know shapes they're seeing

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trajectories are we seeing video are we

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getting pictures how are you

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characterizing a balloon are these all

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anecdotal stories from pilots and you're

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just reading the text and going ah that

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sounds like a balloon I don't think so I

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think we're looking at sensor data photo

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data video data so I think that's the

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frustration is the public is ready to

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whatever read actions whatever security

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measures you have to take if you got

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some cool pictures some cool video or

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some cool sensor data I think it's about

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time to start sharing that stuff and I

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think if that doesn't show up in the

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next report I think that's where you're

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going to start really seeing uh some

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back backlash and blowback uh maybe

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hopefully even from members of Congress

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who are saying we need to see that stuff

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absolutely man I'm looking at it as a

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baseball you know the pitcher and the

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better we're on strike two right now in

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my opinion

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um honestly like not a single case was

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brought up in this report

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um again you you bring up so many good

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points like the fact that we don't know

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what sensors they're using uh that's for

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a reason most of them are still

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classified we don't want to know the

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capabilities of them where exactly

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they're located like we understand that

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um I think a lot of people are

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frustrated that there wasn't a single

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specific case pointed out in this and

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like you said this was kind of um and

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and Micah you too this was almost less

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than the other report uh but we have to

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keep in mind that we have new people uh

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within this group that is now taking the

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reins and looking at this thing so this

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is kind of their

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um their sales pitch of what they're

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doing what they're going to be doing and

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I do want to bring up a little later

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with you guys this um Talk that Sean

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Kirkpatrick gave recently about how they

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did collect some of this data and how

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they are determining you know what some

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of these things might be balloons or as

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they said balloon-like entities which I

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have no idea what that means um would

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love to get you guys thoughts on that

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but let's Circle back now what was

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positive about this thing Micah let's

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start with you buddy what stood out to

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you first and foremost when you went

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through this thing and you got past you

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know the table of contents and the

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appendix which was bigger than the

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actual report but uh yeah give it to us

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man what did you find positive about

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this thing well despite being 12 pages

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in total length uh the blank space at

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the bottom of several of the sections

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and of course the extended appendix is

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at the back uh you know helps to account

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for how quickly we're able to get our

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article out there at the debrief.org

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um and to Chris's Point yes every time

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we get our article out very quickly

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there are people who say huh this is

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suspicious is somebody feeding you the

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information is there an embargo oh look

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let me be very clear about this when the

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report was

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imminent we expected it on its due date

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of course a lot of organizations in fact

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you'll note the New York Times The Daily

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Mail and several others they didn't wait

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for the report to come out they went

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ahead and they published what they had

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the debrief's made an editorial decision

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not to publish speculation before the

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report actually had been delivered but

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what we did was what all these other

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organizations did we went and we got

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information we spoke to people I reached

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out to the Pentagon I reached out to the

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odni we collected as much information as

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we possibly could in advance and then

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the moment that report dropped we had

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everything else that we needed which

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sadly and for those who've read the

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report now you know you'll now know

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there's very little else told in that

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report that we hadn't already learned

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from the media Roundtable that had been

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held beforehand press statements

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released by The Pentagon and independent

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queries that we had made to these

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agencies ourselves so I mean by the time

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the report dropped we were pretty much

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prepared to be able to get this article

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out I'm very proud to be able to say

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debrief did so approximately eight

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minutes before any other mainstream

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media did so I'm glad to have been as as

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usual the first on the on that uh effort

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and and proud of course to be reporting

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it here to you uh Ryan on your 300s now

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that's uh as far as what I see uh that's

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uh positive about this report yes it

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doesn't have all the information that

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everybody hoped to see what it does

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contain though is some very important

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data let's go ahead and just get right

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into some of the jargon that appears in

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the report since its establishment in

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July 2022 arrow and I'm quoting from the

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report here has formulated and started

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to leverage a robust analytic process

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against identified UAP reporting once

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completed arrows final analytic findings

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will be available in their quarterly

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reports to policy makers now keep in

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mind as per what was legislated in the

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2022 National Defense authorization act

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these quarterly reports that go to

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policy makers are not the same thing as

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the annual reports that we see which are

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actually a unclassified summary based on

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a classified briefing that is sent to

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Congress uh one of the earliest

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indications that this report was going

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to be late had been the fact that we

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were already asking about the report

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before its delivery and most of the

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sources that the dod were telling us not

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that well we can't comment on that but

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they were saying explicitly we can't

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comment on that before it's been

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delivered to Congress and so we were

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like okay you mean to tell us that

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Congress hasn't even seen this yet and

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then once the actual report went up you

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may have noticed many of you guys out

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there who follow this like we do may

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have noticed that the statement from Pat

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Ryder I believe mentioned that this

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report had only been recently delivered

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to Congress and now the Sun classified

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summary uh to the public so I mean I I

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presume that what Congress has seen

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although maybe a little more it contains

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the classified information but that was

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probably only fairly recently released

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although weeks ago we had been told that

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it had been in the hands of higher

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leadership so it's still a little

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unclear at this point but getting down

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to the uh the details they note that

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Arrow's initial analysis and

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characterization of the 366 newly

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identified reports informed by a

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multi-agency process judged more than

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half as exhibiting unremarkable

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characteristics we'll get into that in a

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moment but note that figure right there

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366 newly identified reports okay as

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they clarify in the previous paragraph

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these 366 additional reports when

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combined with the 144 reports identified

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in the preliminary assessment that of

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course is the June 2021 report the

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initial odni document they say bring the

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total UAP reports cataloged to date to

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510 now keep that number in mind because

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most of the media as usual has been

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fixated on that and of course Dr

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Kirkpatrick had told us during the media

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briefing a few weeks back that it wasn't

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a significant number greater than the

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number that had been cited by Scott Bray

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during the Congressional hearings that

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we saw earlier in 2020 2022 that is but

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indeed they had they said around 400 at

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that point now we're up to 510. these of

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course spanning about a 17-year period

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so some of these are historical reports

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from recent history some having been

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collected since 2019 when the Navy and

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the Air Force began to update its

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official reporting procedures but in any

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case we have 510 reports okay

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26 of which they say and now we're only

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talking about the 366 newly identified

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reports okay 26 of those were

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characterized as unmanned aerial systems

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uas or uas-like entities more on that in

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a moment because that terminology is

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very similar to the 163 characterized as

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balloon or balloon-like entities and

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then six attributed to clutter now of

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course we have to say that I mean even

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if we've got that many right there okay

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this initial characterization they note

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better enables Aero and odni to

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efficiently and effectively leverage

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resources against the remaining

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171 uncharacterized and unattributed UAP

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reports you know

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let's break this down uas like entities

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balloon-like entities

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it sounds to me like if they had just

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said uas like entities or balloon-like

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entities they'd be talking about you

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know unmanned aircraft systems or

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balloons but the fact that they say

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unmanned aircraft systems or uas-like

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entities and balloons or balloon-like

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entities

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suggests to me that there were some

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objects that were observed that may have

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had characteristics similar for instance

550
00:23:01,730 --> 00:22:59,820
to balloons but which they could not

551
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:01,740
conclusively say were actually balloons

552
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:04,140
think for instance if the USS Omaha

553
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:05,520
footage of this object that appears to

554
00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:07,799
be descending and then it appears to

555
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:10,200
actually go beneath the surface of the

556
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,780
water and continue its descent unlike a

557
00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,919
balloon which would of course come to

558
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:15,960
rest on the water surface we would

559
00:23:21,250 --> 00:23:18,539
assume so I'm I'm wondering if again

560
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:21,260
some of the observed behaviors were best

561
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,820
categorized as in those instances

562
00:23:28,130 --> 00:23:26,100
balloon-like whether or not they could

563
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,140
say they were in fact balloons that much

564
00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:29,520
seems evident in the wording the report

565
00:23:32,409 --> 00:23:30,600
where they note that initial

566
00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:32,419
characterization does not mean

567
00:23:37,130 --> 00:23:35,460
positively resolved or unidentified

568
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,140
no they say instead this initial

569
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:38,880
characterization only better enables

570
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:41,159
arrow and ODI and I to efficiently and

571
00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:42,539
effectively leverage resources against

572
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:44,460
the remaining and again I'll emphasize

573
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:45,440
this number

574
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:48,600
171 uncharacterized and unattributed UAP

575
00:23:51,770 --> 00:23:50,760
reports now here's the kicker this is

576
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,780
the most significant part everybody

577
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,240
listen up some of these uncharacterized

578
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:56,880
UAP appear to have demonstrated unusual

579
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,280
flight characteristics or performance

580
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:01,380
capabilities and require further

581
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:02,520
analysis

582
00:24:07,010 --> 00:24:04,980
now look that is much more

583
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:07,020
conservatively worded than what we saw

584
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,820
in the 2021 report that's talking about

585
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,980
the potential for science advancements

586
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,440
needed before we can actually determine

587
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:15,480
what some of these things are but it's

588
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:17,880
essentially saying in you know far fewer

589
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:20,100
words the same thing we don't know what

590
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:21,780
some of these things are some of these

591
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,940
UAP may have demonstrated unusual flight

592
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:25,200
characteristics or performance

593
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,640
capabilities and require further

594
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:29,159
analysis take that for what it is but

595
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:30,539
when we go back and we look at the

596
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:31,980
pre-reporting by the New York Times

597
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:34,260
Julian Barnes did a very controversial

598
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:36,059
article where he had said in advance of

599
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:38,039
this report coming out based on inside

600
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:39,780
sources that he wasn't able to name they

601
00:24:43,789 --> 00:24:42,120
all spoke on background but he's

602
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,799
essentially telling the public you know

603
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,440
most of this stuff is aerial trash

604
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,780
weather balloons and other things like

605
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:50,760
this based on the numbers I'm seeing in

606
00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:52,260
this report I think it might be a bit of

607
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:55,080
a stretch just a bit to say that most of

608
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,480
these objects are trash or weather

609
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,700
balloons and those terms themselves

610
00:25:03,529 --> 00:25:01,740
pejoratives that have been obviously

611
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,539
used because of the kind of I think I

612
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:05,520
that they were going to arouse among the

613
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,400
UAP Community having known those to have

614
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:10,200
been put forward as proposed

615
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,820
explanations and often infamously

616
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:13,200
throughout the history of this subject

617
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:16,440
in the study of it so my take on this

618
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,120
report is although it says far less and

619
00:25:21,289 --> 00:25:19,919
it's worded very differently and this is

620
00:25:24,110 --> 00:25:21,299
obviously reflective of the new

621
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,120
leadership of Arrow as opposed to those

622
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:26,100
who were heading the UAP task force who

623
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,900
produced the last report nonetheless

624
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:29,279
they're saying the same thing we may

625
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:31,320
have whittled down some of the cases and

626
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,820
now we're fairly confident that some of

627
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:35,760
these things uh at least fall into

628
00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:37,380
categories where we can characterize

629
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:40,679
them as being like known objects but

630
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,400
that doesn't mean that they're

631
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,080
identified but there are still a good

632
00:25:47,890 --> 00:25:45,600
number 171 that remain uncharacterized

633
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:47,900
and which may have

634
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:50,100
unusual flight characteristics or

635
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,419
performance capabilities and require

636
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:53,220
further analysis ladies and gentlemen

637
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:55,020
back in the day we used to call those

638
00:25:59,149 --> 00:25:57,779
UFOs okay unidentified flying objects

639
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:59,159
now a few things that they're saying

640
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,260
that they don't find uh it's not

641
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,880
explicitly stated here in the report but

642
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,740
Ronald had said during the media

643
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:07,320
Roundtable recently we haven't had a

644
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,659
whole lot of data that strongly suggests

645
00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:11,880
the alleged transmedium capabilities of

646
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,100
a lot of these objects perhaps we are

647
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:16,080
still awaiting further data on that

648
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:17,700
point but they do say in this new report

649
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:19,260
that they don't have any data that seems

650
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,900
to point to health problems associated

651
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:24,720
with UAP encounters so a lot of people

652
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,940
are upset about that but again keep in

653
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,220
mind I don't think that the authors of

654
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,480
this report were looking at the cash

655
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:32,640
Landrum incident right I don't think

656
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,380
that the the authors of this report were

657
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,720
looking at Famous UFO cases from

658
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:38,220
literature that's already available to

659
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,659
civilian sources they're looking at

660
00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:41,640
government data and most of these do

661
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:43,320
involve like you said Ryan at the outset

662
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,460
and as Chris was pointing out

663
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:46,260
information that's been collected with

664
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:48,900
our Advanced sensor systems and

665
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:50,580
Technologies currently in use by the US

666
00:26:54,409 --> 00:26:52,140
military which we can discuss some of

667
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:54,419
those sensor systems a bit more in depth

668
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:55,799
later but for the time being I'm going

669
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:57,059
to put a cap on it right there and just

670
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,919
say

671
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,700
conservatively worded though they are

672
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,380
the results of this report are no less

673
00:27:04,669 --> 00:27:03,000
significant and they should be taken as

674
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,679
such

675
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:07,080
fair enough I love that

676
00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,700
um well you did bring up you know the

677
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,679
health risk thing I I found it

678
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:12,000
interesting you know this Pentagon

679
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,320
briefing and Chris I want to get your

680
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:16,200
thoughts after I play this brief video

681
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:17,880
um this is from the Press briefing when

682
00:27:22,269 --> 00:27:19,799
the journalist I want to get her name

683
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:22,279
right because I'm so happy

684
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:25,620
there we go Brandi Vincent uh she

685
00:27:30,289 --> 00:27:28,260
questioned uh Brigadier General Pat

686
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,299
Ryder who's the press secretary right

687
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:33,600
now at the Pentagon on um on this very

688
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,299
heart of the report you know thank God

689
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,700
she actually read it and like said whoa

690
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:41,039
whoa whoa whoa what is this um so let's

691
00:27:44,029 --> 00:27:42,360
go ahead and play this video really

692
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:44,039
quick and get you guys thoughts on the

693
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:45,720
other side Court says that regarding

694
00:27:52,029 --> 00:27:49,260
health concerns so far no Encounters of

695
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:52,039
UAB have been aligned with serious

696
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,380
anomalous Health incidents Congress uh

697
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,600
pushed you guys and mandated odni and

698
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,279
the Pentagon to look into that which

699
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,799
means there were reports from military

700
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,840
aviators about anomalous Health

701
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:06,059
incidents is there anything you guys can

702
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,820
share about what those Health incidents

703
00:28:13,370 --> 00:28:11,520
ended up being if they were not UAP yeah

704
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,380
I don't I don't have any information to

705
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:15,000
provide I'd encourage you to take a look

706
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,679
at the report I would say broadly

707
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,320
speaking I think one of the key points

708
00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:22,380
in this report you know given given the

709
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,400
potential uh Hazard that uaps do present

710
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:28,559
notably there's been no reported

711
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,159
collisions of of military aircraft or

712
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,520
U.S aircraft rather and uaps but in

713
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:37,440
terms of those specifics I'd I'd refer

714
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,350
yeah so

715
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:44,520
um I was one of those people Micah who

716
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:45,539
actually was like are you kidding me

717
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:47,820
what about like rendersham like that was

718
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,720
a military UFO case where a person was

719
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:54,000
directly physically affected by the

720
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,779
event

721
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:56,820
um but I think what he kind of points

722
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:58,919
out here is we're talking about you know

723
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:01,500
our Pilots having close calls up there

724
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:05,760
or um having direct physical uh things

725
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,940
happen when in contact with these things

726
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,100
um so not so much these cases from the

727
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:13,860
past you know the one you mentioned um

728
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:16,679
and things like rendoshum so I kind of

729
00:29:22,490 --> 00:29:20,640
had to temper my uh my disdain for their

730
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,500
response to that because there have been

731
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:24,480
health effects by some of these UFO

732
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:25,500
events well if I could just add

733
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,200
something on that point

734
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:29,460
briefly I I really I'd rather you you

735
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,260
get Chris in here next but I will just

736
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:33,840
add that my understanding is that the

737
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:35,340
current batch of reports that were

738
00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:37,380
analyzed go back no further than 1994

739
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,340
and so again rendelsham literally having

740
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:43,020
occurred within like a 48-hour period of

741
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:44,940
the Cash Land room incident you know two

742
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:47,279
of the best known incidents allegedly

743
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:48,899
involving health effects that Witnesses

744
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:52,080
suffered it was well beyond the uh scope

745
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,659
the area in which the cases currently

746
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:57,360
are being investigated but again with

747
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,919
the actual signing into law of the

748
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,960
fiscal year 2023 National Defense

749
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,360
authorization act uh that historical

750
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,039
review period has now been extended all

751
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,200
the way back to 1949 as was outlined

752
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,640
recently in the New York Times in an

753
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,080
article that referenced Jacques valet

754
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,720
and his work and again so we we may yet

755
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:14,880
see that but within the current purview

756
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:18,360
of its research this current review The

757
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,279
Arrow has conducted its own preliminary

758
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,840
assessment following the preliminary

759
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,340
assessment by the last team that was

760
00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:25,020
assigned to look at this stuff they

761
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,220
probably didn't have historical

762
00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:29,039
documents and data related to incidents

763
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:30,299
like randallstream because they were

764
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:32,120
just from an earlier period

765
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,240
exactly and you know Congress pushed

766
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,860
Moultrie at this Congressional hearing

767
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:40,200
about Maelstrom as well the Maelstrom

768
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,779
UFO incident and they said we don't have

769
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:44,640
anything on that and now look at what's

770
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:47,580
happening we have Robert Salas uh going

771
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,240
to testify to Arrow about the event so

772
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:53,460
they are being proactive which I do

773
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:55,559
appreciate we are seeing a proactive

774
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,899
approach to this and a retroactive

775
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:59,760
approach which I think is really

776
00:31:03,529 --> 00:31:01,559
interesting as well but Chris we've left

777
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,539
you hanging too long buddy

778
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,340
um tell us what do you what what

779
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,559
positives did you take out of this

780
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,080
report did anything stand out to you of

781
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:12,480
like oh wow okay like we're we're

782
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,360
getting something here

783
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,039
uh I I think my reaction was probably

784
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,500
closer to everyone else's where there

785
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:22,020
wasn't really any Headway made uh

786
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,820
compared to the last report that the

787
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:26,159
maybe the two things that I'm at least

788
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,399
happy to not see uh are some of the

789
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
Lamer explanations that accompanied UFO

790
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,320
investigations by the military in the

791
00:31:39,289 --> 00:31:36,779
20th century so for instance we didn't

792
00:31:40,930 --> 00:31:39,299
hear anything about swamp gas we didn't

793
00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:40,940
hear anything about astronomical

794
00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:43,260
misidentifications and there's a lot of

795
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:52,549
oh looks like we lost him that's a very

796
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,380
uh Charming screen grab I mean I'm just

797
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,299
gonna keep it up there guys look at that

798
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,460
mug yeah just just leave it up there for

799
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:02,159
the rest of the other program oh my gosh

800
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,919
poor Chris um Chris

801
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,240
um sign out buddy if you could still

802
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:08,640
hear us and sign back in oh there he is

803
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,380
I don't know what's going on with my

804
00:32:13,789 --> 00:32:12,000
internet today because I am home alone

805
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,799
so I don't know what is going on the

806
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:15,840
second time I've been dropped out you're

807
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:17,880
home alone that means the wet Bandits

808
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:20,100
are uh taking your Wi-Fi out man yes

809
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,399
exactly yeah um so yeah I I think the

810
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,740
the the thing that I found most ex you

811
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:28,559
know if I had to find the positive which

812
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:29,880
I don't know that there were a ton of

813
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:31,860
them was that uh we're at least

814
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:33,299
acknowledging these are real things

815
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,120
we're not we're not blaming it on uh

816
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:38,460
misidentification the planet Venus or

817
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:41,100
the misidentification of a star or a

818
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:43,500
constellation uh we're not getting swamp

819
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,679
gas so uh even if we're getting balloons

820
00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:48,659
or balloon-like entities at least

821
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,419
they're still things you know so and I

822
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:53,340
think those of us that are the old

823
00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:56,700
school UFO guys and prefer UFO over UAP

824
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,580
because we feel that a lot of pilots and

825
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:01,860
a lot of people see physical objects

826
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:04,440
physical things even if they're not nuts

827
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,340
and bolts craft so I would I I guess I

828
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,559
would give a thumbs up to that I would

829
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,720
also say I like the seriousness of the

830
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:14,880
tone of the report so even though it's

831
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:17,940
very dry I'd rather have a dry report

832
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:21,960
than kind of a dismissive uh tone and

833
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:25,019
language so I guess those are benefits

834
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,000
um you know as far as the health

835
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,279
concerns thing let me ask you this

836
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:31,980
question if you're Ryan Graves or you're

837
00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:33,299
one of these pilots and you're having

838
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,500
near misses up in the sky and you fly

839
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:40,080
the most powerful most modern most

840
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:42,179
advanced aircraft in the world and

841
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:44,340
things are performing Maneuvers around

842
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,159
you what sort of psychological impact

843
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,620
does that have Ryan Graves talks about

844
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,559
the pilots on the East Coast going at

845
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:54,659
the the entry point to their area of

846
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:57,659
operations and every time they go there

847
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,220
there are these things sitting there

848
00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:02,100
watching them so I gotta think there's a

849
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,899
psychological impact that we're not

850
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:05,519
hearing about that's not being taken

851
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,339
into effect as well so rather than maybe

852
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:10,560
a direct health of consequence like some

853
00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:12,780
sort of radiation or or something from

854
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:14,700
the uh the UFOs that are affecting

855
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,119
people is the the idea that again you're

856
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,580
the baddest baddest guy on the Block in

857
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,859
the most advanced military aircraft and

858
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:24,780
things are flying circles around you and

859
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:27,060
they're almost crashing into you I would

860
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,980
think that would uh definitely affect

861
00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:30,659
the Pilot's confidence and could

862
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,040
definitely I mean if I were gonna have

863
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,800
PTSD as a pilot I think almost crashing

864
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,659
into stuff would definitely be one of

865
00:34:42,409 --> 00:34:39,359
the things that would cause it so I I

866
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,419
think uh to dismiss that element of the

867
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,220
health consequences completely is a

868
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:47,040
little frustrating yeah I agree although

869
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:48,359
I will add of course you know that they

870
00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:51,659
do uh still emphasize the flight safety

871
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:53,159
concerns but again that's a little

872
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,179
different from what Chris is talking

873
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:56,280
about I mean if you were an aviator if

874
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,480
you were any kind of active duty

875
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:59,040
Personnel what is the psychological

876
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,200
impact that encountering an unknown

877
00:35:05,089 --> 00:35:03,300
technology might represent for you you

878
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:05,099
know other big news in recent days it's

879
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:06,540
actually been uh brought to my attention

880
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:08,940
in recent days contacts that might have

881
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:10,380
been sending the info I think on Friday

882
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:11,640
or Saturday I guess it would have been

883
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:15,359
probably uh yeah Friday late Friday and

884
00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:16,980
then there were some Buzz about it among

885
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,599
the debrief team in recent days that

886
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:20,339
indeed there are some documents that

887
00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:21,660
have appeared online that have been

888
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:23,880
released by the Navy related to these

889
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:27,000
so-called arrange Fowler incidents and

890
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:29,940
uh although frustratingly most of the

891
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:32,460
data in terms of the actual incidents

892
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,020
and descriptions of the objects their

893
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,240
shape their color their flight

894
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,820
capabilities and other Dynamics reported

895
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,500
by military personnel this has all been

896
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:43,140
redacted because much like the

897
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,060
classified version of the 2021

898
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:47,640
preliminary assessment which eventually

899
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,619
was obtained through the process known

900
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:51,359
as mandatory declassification review by

901
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,540
research John Greenwald and of course I

902
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:55,980
believe Ryan you spoke with John about

903
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:57,780
that I had him on my program and John

904
00:36:02,569 --> 00:35:59,880
and I spoke at length about that

905
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:02,579
that report gave us quite a good bit

906
00:36:07,609 --> 00:36:06,180
more information but still no idea of

907
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,619
what the objects look like what their

908
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,480
shape is what they're even their color

909
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:12,240
is with one exception there doesn't seem

910
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,859
to be very much in terms of redaction

911
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,480
about the Nimitz incident and I think

912
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,280
that the very obvious reason why is

913
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:18,960
because now when new information comes

914
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,900
out about that case what little we see I

915
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:24,180
think that the folks up there uh at the

916
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,339
Navy and and more broadly at the dod

917
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:27,599
they recognize well you know there's

918
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,099
been so much said about this all these

919
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:30,480
Pilots have come forward everybody kind

920
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,280
of knows it was kind of tic-tac-shaped

921
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:34,980
it was whitish on the exterior so really

922
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:36,540
no point in removing that information

923
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,540
from further data that's released and so

924
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:41,820
the most recent batch of Navy documents

925
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,800
actually do contain the unredacted

926
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,119
description of what's obviously the

927
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:48,000
Nimitz incident from 2004 and all the

928
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:49,500
other incidents everything's redacted

929
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:51,240
just like in that classified version of

930
00:36:56,510 --> 00:36:53,220
last year's preliminaries or the 2021

931
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:56,520
sorry New Year the 2021 preliminary

932
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,680
assessment but my point is is again that

933
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,720
I think it's frustrating how little

934
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:03,599
information they'll release if there's

935
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:05,099
anything we can glean though it is that

936
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,900
I mean aviators especially and more

937
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:09,000
broadly personnel with our military do

938
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,320
encounter these things they're very

939
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:12,599
perplexed by it they thought it was

940
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:13,980
concerning enough that they filed a

941
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:16,859
report in many instances the reports are

942
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,780
actually filed much longer after the

943
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:20,099
fact in other words they may have

944
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:21,780
occurred years earlier

945
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:23,940
but these Pilots now that the stigma has

946
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:26,520
begun to be lifted somewhat and it's not

947
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,200
exclusively Pilots I should really just

948
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,240
say military personnel more and more of

949
00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:31,680
them have actually gone back and they've

950
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:33,740
filed reports about earlier incidents

951
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,880
describing things that were seen and you

952
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:37,440
do see references to that in some of the

953
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,940
recent foia documents that have been

954
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,119
released references to for instance

955
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,320
there was very little said about the

956
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,880
actual description of the object in the

957
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:46,560
original email and it's saying things

958
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:47,880
like this that are indicating that

959
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,880
people are discussing past encounters or

960
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,800
references to past correspondences that

961
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,720
detailed these incidents I'm glad more

962
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:55,920
people are coming forward and talking

963
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,240
about it though and again to Chris's

964
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,280
point maybe they need to maybe there's a

965
00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:01,079
degree of catharsis with fed in the

966
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:02,460
sense that you know they need to be able

967
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,680
to say hey look we've seen things we

968
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:06,000
can't explain it we don't know what they

969
00:38:10,609 --> 00:38:07,619
are and we want our government to do

970
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,619
something about it yep absolutely and I

971
00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:12,240
think that's a good point you know this

972
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:15,060
new language that was in the legislation

973
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,060
of uh whistleblowers coming forward this

974
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,920
is only going to increase the amount of

975
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:21,540
reports that are going to come in as

976
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:24,420
well so again thank God we have Congress

977
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:27,540
pushing these things you know while I

978
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:30,660
didn't so much glean a lot from this

979
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,260
report it's exciting for me of what's to

980
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:36,480
come and you know what we're gonna get

981
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,060
with this new bill that was passed that

982
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,339
had this new language and you know like

983
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:43,500
you mentioned Micah going back to 1945

984
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:46,740
even uh it's gonna be it's exciting

985
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:49,560
times uh I I think this report has shown

986
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:52,140
us okay new groups here Arrow's here to

987
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:53,160
stay

988
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,640
um they're clearly taking a dry yet very

989
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,400
careful approach to this and we couldn't

990
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:01,680
ask for more to be completely honest um

991
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:03,240
I think it's interesting

992
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,160
um I do want to um and we want to hear

993
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:06,960
from you guys but I have a couple

994
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,540
people's thoughts on this report that I

995
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:12,119
did want to run through very quickly uh

996
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,320
because I thought they brought up some

997
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,599
really good points so bear with me guys

998
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:17,820
here for just a few moments the first

999
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,579
comes from Christopher melon and

1000
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,800
um it got a little cut off here in the

1001
00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:24,599
PowerPoint that I have so I do apologize

1002
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:26,220
but I'll go ahead and read these really

1003
00:39:28,690 --> 00:39:27,300
quick

1004
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:28,700
um Chris millin said of the report

1005
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,020
Congressional initiatives related to UAP

1006
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,640
are already paying dividends by

1007
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,560
improving our ability to distinguish

1008
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:36,119
legitimate threats from innocuous

1009
00:39:40,609 --> 00:39:38,460
balloons and other Airborne Airborne

1010
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:40,619
clutter initial progress includes the

1011
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,119
identification of 173 out of 510 if true

1012
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:47,040
that is a major achievement with broad

1013
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,859
implications for security uh Micah

1014
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,780
brought up that point earlier this one

1015
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,040
was pretty interesting the government

1016
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:55,320
again demonstrated its unique and

1017
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,119
uncanny ability to transform an

1018
00:40:02,450 --> 00:39:59,820
inherently fascinating topic into vexing

1019
00:40:04,609 --> 00:40:02,460
bureaucratic jargon if the intent was to

1020
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:04,619
make the report as an Anodyne

1021
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:07,380
unremarkable and boring as possible the

1022
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,440
authors did exceptionally well God I

1023
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,200
love this man's son it appears their

1024
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,300
efforts were made to minimize the impact

1025
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:17,579
of the data for example there is an

1026
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,220
incredibly s dark contrast between the

1027
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:22,079
studying testimony of you AP

1028
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:24,660
capabilities reported by Navy pilots and

1029
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,560
the flaccid UAP report language

1030
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,320
um I love this uh here's the last

1031
00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:33,359
interesting point I want to bring up UAP

1032
00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:35,339
issue is gaining traction and acceptance

1033
00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:37,140
within the government some incidents

1034
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,579
have already been resolved and our

1035
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:40,800
nation may already be safer because of

1036
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:43,140
it for example if it is true that some

1037
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:44,460
of the incidents off the coast of

1038
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,380
California were identified as Chinese

1039
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,140
drones that is a huge breakthrough for

1040
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,300
U.S intelligence that would not have

1041
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:53,160
occurred absent the new focus on

1042
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:55,980
collecting and investigating UAP reports

1043
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,099
that is so true uh let's also not lose

1044
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:01,200
sight of the fact that science May

1045
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:03,540
benefit as well having participated in

1046
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:05,579
debriefs of numerous military aviators

1047
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,220
and radar operators I believe this is a

1048
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,619
genuine possibility indeed I've spoken

1049
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:12,599
with several credible people who claim

1050
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:15,920
the U.S has evidence of alien technology

1051
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:18,660
in its possession

1052
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:21,960
uh What uh so you guys have any what are

1053
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:24,300
your responses to that last part there

1054
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,859
he brings up some positive some

1055
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,780
negatives and then hits us at the end

1056
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,000
with yeah I've talked to people totally

1057
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:32,579
alien evidence for sure um who wants to

1058
00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:34,440
take that go ahead Chris I'll jump in

1059
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:35,579
later

1060
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:43,910
I think there's kind of been a feeling

1061
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,849
that beautiful face again

1062
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,200
I love it I love it

1063
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,480
I'm just kidding do the same thing make

1064
00:41:57,730 --> 00:41:56,460
it look like I was frozen too make you

1065
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:57,740
panic a little

1066
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,380
playing the mod the freeze game go yeah

1067
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:02,880
exactly hey let's just do that and then

1068
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:04,700
when it comes back yeah there he is

1069
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,920
glasses yeah every time I come back I'll

1070
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:09,599
have my glasses because I'm looking down

1071
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:12,540
what the hell happened

1072
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:14,099
yeah what were you saying I'm sorry

1073
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,780
individuals thing because there's always

1074
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:17,640
been a fear that we're talking about you

1075
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,980
know Eric Davis told him hey I heard

1076
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:22,260
that you know we got crashed ships and

1077
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:24,540
that's what uh he's completely going on

1078
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,280
and I think that's always been some of

1079
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,500
the fear with melon is because it's

1080
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:30,300
respectable a guy he is and has

1081
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:33,420
established a guy he is is is he been

1082
00:42:37,849 --> 00:42:35,400
fooled has he been you know this is

1083
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:37,859
something you hear about the whole uh

1084
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:39,960
latest chain of operations that are

1085
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:41,700
happening here is that there's a handful

1086
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,820
of zealots that have fooled Congress and

1087
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,520
fooled committee members into buying

1088
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,500
into looking into something that's uh

1089
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,079
just has no validity to it so to hear

1090
00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:54,000
him say several individuals I thought

1091
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:55,859
was very exciting I don't know if we'll

1092
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,260
ever get a list I will also point out

1093
00:43:02,030 --> 00:43:00,000
that something I think is critical and

1094
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:02,040
something that I've been saying for

1095
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:03,720
decades as a guy who's been following

1096
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:07,500
this subject for decades is we are in a

1097
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:09,660
representative government in the United

1098
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:13,740
States and the feeling was always if the

1099
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,619
if the military has evidence of

1100
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,020
something incredible even if it's just

1101
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:21,780
Chinese drones but they're drones that

1102
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,660
do incredible Maneuvers and do is seem

1103
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,880
to fly Against the Wind at 1200 miles an

1104
00:43:32,569 --> 00:43:28,920
hour while rotating or any of these sort

1105
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,579
of things that at a minimum our

1106
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,560
Representatives should be in the loop

1107
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,300
that our our governmental

1108
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,940
Representatives so I think that's just a

1109
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,240
a significant shift to not miss here is

1110
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:45,359
that at least on some level the people

1111
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:47,579
are in the room even if we're not in the

1112
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,500
room you know there are representatives

1113
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,319
are in the room and hearing this stuff I

1114
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,780
also think the benefit of having our

1115
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,760
people and representatives and senators

1116
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:00,000
in the room Congress reps is

1117
00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:03,240
if there's something is incredible comes

1118
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:05,579
out of this and something that that the

1119
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:15,470
whoops and

1120
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:18,180
and there he goes unfortunate every time

1121
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:20,460
he has a good point it happens hopefully

1122
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:21,900
we'll get him back you know maybe in the

1123
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:23,220
interest of time I'll just jump in here

1124
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,460
really quickly uh you know I agree with

1125
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:28,380
all of Chris smellin's points in terms

1126
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,940
of the way that he characterized the

1127
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:32,280
language in the report that uh level of

1128
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:35,940
bureaucratis obviously uh left a lot to

1129
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,040
be desired nonetheless I hope that the

1130
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:40,200
point I made earlier about what the data

1131
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,680
actually conveys as as well as the

1132
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:46,260
apparent attempt at wording that in in

1133
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:48,900
such a manner so unsensational and if

1134
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,300
anything to the point of being Bland and

1135
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,180
blase so as almost too distract away

1136
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:55,680
from the significance of the number of

1137
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,480
reports that remain unresolved don't let

1138
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,280
that fool you and I'm not saying that

1139
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,400
there is an effort to try and misdirect

1140
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,200
I definitely think however that the

1141
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:05,760
wording is clearly indicative of an

1142
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:09,119
attempt to sanitize the data so read it

1143
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,380
for what it is look at what the actual

1144
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,900
numbers convey no unidentified does not

1145
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,760
necessarily mean alien but that's far

1146
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:16,260
better than what we were told in the

1147
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:17,880
pre-reporting buy Outlets like the New

1148
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,740
York Times and again one more reason why

1149
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:22,079
I felt it was incumbent upon us as

1150
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:23,819
journalists with the debrief

1151
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:26,040
to wait until the report came out to do

1152
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,900
our own investigation and I'll just tell

1153
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:29,460
you because I didn't get ahead of the

1154
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:31,260
game and speculate and then have to try

1155
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,900
and justify my guesswork after the fact

1156
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,720
I wasn't actually left dangling and uh

1157
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:38,640
and certainly was not as disappointed I

1158
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:40,980
think by this report as many were it

1159
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:42,359
said just about what I thought it would

1160
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:44,700
be but you know I had low expectations

1161
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:46,859
from the outset Ryan in advance of the

1162
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,220
2021 odni assessment I mean I was on

1163
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:52,319
record on my podcast and Tim McMillan

1164
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:53,880
and I had talked about this on several

1165
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:56,220
shows I was I think you and I talked

1166
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:57,540
about it on your show I was pretty

1167
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,920
convinced that what we were probably

1168
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,720
going to see with that report was most

1169
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:02,400
of these things are drones and foreign

1170
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:04,020
surveillance platforms and things like

1171
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,640
this atmospheric phenomena in a few

1172
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:08,160
instances I was actually shocked as hell

1173
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:10,020
that they said as much as they did about

1174
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,579
the potential for their be being

1175
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,560
unidentified Advanced Aerospace

1176
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:15,119
Technologies and things that may require

1177
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:16,920
science advances

1178
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,540
before they could be fully understood

1179
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:21,359
and reconciled potentially I mean that

1180
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:23,160
was very interesting to me and as Chris

1181
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,560
alluded to earlier having since the

1182
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,359
issuance of that report spoken to some

1183
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:29,040
of the individuals who were involved in

1184
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,900
collection of data about it to the

1185
00:46:35,569 --> 00:46:33,359
extent to which that they could actually

1186
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,579
discuss it and I respect these people

1187
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,619
both for speaking with journalists like

1188
00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:39,300
myself but also more importantly for

1189
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:41,099
being very careful about what they do

1190
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,800
discuss and not conveying data that they

1191
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,839
shouldn't or can't right that is

1192
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:47,700
protected because I do think sometimes

1193
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:49,859
secrecy is needed why in these instances

1194
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,240
it's pretty obvious and this new report

1195
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:52,980
also shows that and Chris Mellon points

1196
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:55,560
that out in his commentary if indeed

1197
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,240
they're resolving some of these reports

1198
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:59,280
and those do point to the idea that

1199
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:01,140
there are Chinese Technologies primarily

1200
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:03,180
and that more likely or a greater

1201
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:06,359
likelihood than Russia at this point if

1202
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:07,859
indeed there are some surveillance

1203
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,480
platforms that are monitoring U.S

1204
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:11,280
activities the U.S has to be careful

1205
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:13,619
about how much it says about that and

1206
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,819
here I think in terms of what the

1207
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,560
report's saying balloons or balloon-like

1208
00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:19,200
things read between the lines what they

1209
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,240
are implying is yeah there's probably

1210
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,579
some stuff that we're collecting and we

1211
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,680
have a pretty good idea whose it is we

1212
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:27,000
can't say too much about how it was

1213
00:47:30,410 --> 00:47:28,200
collected we don't want to say too much

1214
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,420
about what was observed in fact because

1215
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,000
we don't want to clue our enemies in on

1216
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,099
the fact that we are observing them to

1217
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,859
an extent the Spy game works best when

1218
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:40,079
you know you're being watched but the

1219
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,940
ones who are spying on you don't know

1220
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,800
that you're aware that you're watching

1221
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,660
them and so the U.S has to manage that

1222
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:48,000
very carefully and that's one of the

1223
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,500
important reasons for a certain degree

1224
00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:51,119
of secrecy so I respect that in the

1225
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,920
individuals who have you know strived to

1226
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,900
protect that both with this report and

1227
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:56,339
also those who come forward and talk to

1228
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:57,540
journalists whether it's the New York

1229
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,980
Times or it's the debrief or whomever

1230
00:48:02,210 --> 00:48:01,079
else that they speak to so there are a

1231
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:02,220
lot of dynamics that have to be

1232
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,260
understood and managed I think with

1233
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,119
relation to the UAP issue and if nothing

1234
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,400
else yes it's beneficial that the study

1235
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:10,619
of UAP leads to a greater degree of

1236
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,900
awareness of potential adversarial

1237
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,819
threats and surveillance that's

1238
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:16,800
occurring and how that might and you

1239
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,359
know negatively impact the United States

1240
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,700
and National Security I suspect though

1241
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,560
that some of that surveillance was

1242
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,940
something that we were monitoring and

1243
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,680
that we were aware of before UAP came

1244
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,960
into the equation but what this does is

1245
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:30,000
it helps the United States public also

1246
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,800
have a broader degree of awareness about

1247
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:34,800
that and also on the issue of what we

1248
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:36,780
would call the real UAP the truly

1249
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:39,480
unidentified anomalous phenomena there's

1250
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:40,920
also going to be a greater degree of

1251
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,780
interest in the study of that both with

1252
00:48:45,849 --> 00:48:44,520
government but also as we have seen as a

1253
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,859
result of the government's involvement

1254
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:48,180
scientists have been galvanized more and

1255
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:49,740
more of them have become involved Avi

1256
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:51,540
Loeb of course has launched the Galileo

1257
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,339
project NASA is conducting its own

1258
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,140
review of not classified information

1259
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,359
mind you but information available to

1260
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,760
the to the public and we also have all

1261
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:01,680
these different UAP investigative groups

1262
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,240
scientific organizations that are now

1263
00:49:06,349 --> 00:49:04,980
springing up conferences that are geared

1264
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,359
toward the scientific study of this

1265
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,880
phenomenon this is a good thing for UAP

1266
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:11,160
this is a good thing for UFOs if you

1267
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:12,900
still call them that and I think that

1268
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:14,819
more broadly culturally we are looking

1269
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,400
at a wide array of different things but

1270
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,740
the sum total is pretty good I think

1271
00:49:22,670 --> 00:49:21,119
these are good these are positive these

1272
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,680
are necessary developments and so again

1273
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,720
I know I get it people are kind of

1274
00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:26,040
disappointed

1275
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:27,619
everybody wants everything yesterday

1276
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:31,140
right you know today is not soon enough

1277
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:33,060
we've got to be patient but I mean

1278
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,920
there's a slow drip occurring right now

1279
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:36,960
that I think in time will pay off and

1280
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:38,460
we're seeing some promising developments

1281
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,220
yep we are we are and some of those

1282
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,560
promising developments came from the

1283
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,420
person you mentioned avilo this came

1284
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:47,520
from an article that just released over

1285
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:50,760
at thedebrief.org guys so go on over if

1286
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:52,260
you want to give it a read I know it got

1287
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,300
cut off there again let me go ahead and

1288
00:49:57,770 --> 00:49:56,220
read these very quickly get you guys

1289
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,780
thoughts

1290
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,760
um obviously since classified sensors

1291
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:01,440
collect government data the most

1292
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,240
interesting information is likely to

1293
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:05,460
remain hidden from public view but the

1294
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:07,619
good news is that the sky is not

1295
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:10,560
classified in the study of ET objects

1296
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,880
could be addressed through the

1297
00:50:15,849 --> 00:50:13,980
scientific method by sharing open data

1298
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:15,859
and new knowledge with all humans

1299
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,900
irrespective of their national identity

1300
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:20,880
this report alerts the scientific

1301
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:22,680
Community to the presence of anomalous

1302
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,660
objects but it does not provide

1303
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:26,819
sufficient evidence about the nature of

1304
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,760
UAP which may be moving accelerating or

1305
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:31,920
looking differently from technological

1306
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:34,859
devices the robustness of any

1307
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:36,839
conclusions about these objects depends

1308
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,000
on the quality of the data collected

1309
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,040
moreover if the senses are not well

1310
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:43,020
calibrated they would show false

1311
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,540
positives or artifacts that do not

1312
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,720
reflect real objects the fact that odni

1313
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:50,640
is unable to decipher the nature of the

1314
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:52,760
third of a third of the reported UAP

1315
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,660
underlines the need for a scientific

1316
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:56,940
research program that is based on open

1317
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,180
data even if one object out of 510

1318
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,520
reported UAP is of extraterrestrial

1319
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,920
origin and this object poses no threat

1320
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:06,960
to National Security its identification

1321
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:09,540
will be the most important discovery

1322
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:12,780
that Humanity has ever made

1323
00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:16,740
so there we go I mean you know avi's

1324
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:19,140
doing his thing Arrow's doing its thing

1325
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,480
uapx is doing its thing

1326
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,920
um hopefully all this data will be

1327
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:25,260
compiled together NASA is doing their

1328
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:26,280
own thing

1329
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:30,960
um so look the fire keeps burning uh the

1330
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:32,819
inspiration's there everyone said you

1331
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:36,780
know the 2017 fervor of ufology is is is

1332
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:38,760
fizzling and you know we're going to

1333
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:41,099
enter another Dark Age of ephology

1334
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,660
I don't see that

1335
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:44,640
um I certainly don't see that because

1336
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,160
you got people like avilo being like nah

1337
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,720
we're not accepting that you have

1338
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:50,880
Congress members saying nope nope we're

1339
00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:54,420
not letting you guys go that easily so

1340
00:51:59,329 --> 00:51:57,000
um scientifically Chris take this for us

1341
00:52:09,490 --> 00:51:59,339
man anything about what Avi said

1342
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:12,410
I think it's legitimate this time you

1343
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,520
know I'll just add two uh here and if he

1344
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,839
comes back I'll throw it immediately to

1345
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,359
Chris there but uh a personal reflection

1346
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,160
I have about this is you know I had

1347
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:23,040
never guessed uh that uh within a couple

1348
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,420
of years of launching the debrief I

1349
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,599
would be in addition to uh writing about

1350
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,760
this topic myself as I've endeavored to

1351
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:31,440
do for the better part of the last two

1352
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:34,500
decades uh but uh if in indeed you'd

1353
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,059
told me I'd be also accepting

1354
00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:37,920
Publications from and editing the work

1355
00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:41,579
of avilo Jacques valet Ryan Graves uh

1356
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,040
Ralph Blumenthal Chris Mellon Leslie

1357
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:46,200
Kane as editor-in-chief of this

1358
00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:47,819
publication I'd have called you a liar

1359
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,380
but again I'm very proud that these

1360
00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:52,020
people come to us and see although we

1361
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,900
are not an explicitly UAP publication we

1362
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,819
are a science publication and we are not

1363
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,460
pro-uap so much as we are pro-science

1364
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,140
applied to that as any other topic we

1365
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:03,240
would cover I'm thrilled that these

1366
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,160
people see our publication as being of

1367
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:07,559
enough value to this dialogue that they

1368
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,900
want that message uh brought to us and

1369
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:11,280
they see us as a platform that can bring

1370
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:12,780
that I think we've got Chris back now so

1371
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:16,319
go ahead yeah am I here am I alive can

1372
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:19,460
you hear me I think so go ahead buddy

1373
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:21,780
what's going on man the only other time

1374
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,940
I really have this problem was when the

1375
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:25,920
wife was in the other U room using the

1376
00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:28,559
online so I do not know what's going on

1377
00:53:32,329 --> 00:53:29,819
you know what you guys have been having

1378
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:32,339
crazy weather well sometimes weather but

1379
00:53:35,930 --> 00:53:34,500
also on Sundays I'll notice that every

1380
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,940
now and then when everybody's at home on

1381
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:37,200
the weekends and they're binge watching

1382
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:39,000
Netflix and stuff sometimes the the

1383
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:41,180
bandwidth strain can affect it and Plus

1384
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,230
so go ahead though

1385
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:50,339
your comments on Avi and uh his uh

1386
00:53:53,930 --> 00:53:51,960
scientific approach is outlined in that

1387
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,940
recent opportunity I would like to yeah

1388
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:56,160
I think that's key I think Avi makes a

1389
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:57,960
good point I think a broader point I

1390
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:00,180
want to take from all of this is that

1391
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:03,780
the idea of disclosure has always been a

1392
00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:05,640
simple one the government sharing with

1393
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:07,559
the people the information that it has

1394
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:10,260
right that's more or less the idea of

1395
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,559
disclosure and we're now in a situation

1396
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:16,200
where disclosure can the answer from the

1397
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:18,000
government the military can no longer be

1398
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:19,200
we have nothing

1399
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,240
right for a long time the answer could

1400
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,520
be we don't have anything well now they

1401
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:25,200
have a report that says they have a

1402
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:28,619
bunch of stuff and uh what that stuff is

1403
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:31,500
how classified sensors photos video

1404
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,859
whatever that is we now know there's a

1405
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:37,200
pile of stuff that the military has

1406
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:39,420
including a number of incidents that

1407
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,960
they can't explain uh so disclosure can

1408
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:45,119
no longer be a uh sorry heck we just

1409
00:54:49,309 --> 00:54:47,880
don't have anything and it is now they

1410
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,319
got a pile of stuff and they're going to

1411
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,880
have to decide how much they can and

1412
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,859
can't share with the public ultimately

1413
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,260
and again there's our representatives

1414
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:57,180
are in the mix so congressmen and

1415
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,980
senators and congresswomen can now look

1416
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,920
at that and say uh you know what I don't

1417
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,839
care if it's this one little sensor

1418
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:05,760
that's maybe a little classified here's

1419
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:07,260
the part of this I can talk to my

1420
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,619
constituents about so I I think the idea

1421
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,200
of disclosure moves forward with the

1422
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:16,200
acknowledgment that they have stuff

1423
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:19,619
I love that moving forward Thomas thank

1424
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:22,020
you so much again guys for the super

1425
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,359
chats really appreciate it

1426
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,839
um well guys let's I guess kind of move

1427
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:30,240
on you know from the report uh there's a

1428
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:32,099
couple other UFO stories that are

1429
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,619
equally as exciting I think going on

1430
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:37,020
right now uh a few of which were dropped

1431
00:55:42,109 --> 00:55:39,660
over at the debrief and whatnot but any

1432
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,119
last words on the report before we move

1433
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:44,160
on to our buddy Ryan Graves someone I

1434
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,240
want to talk about

1435
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,280
um any last words on this report and

1436
00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:49,680
what to look forward to in 2023 when it

1437
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:53,099
comes to the to Arrow I guess and uh the

1438
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:54,900
investigations going on Micah go ahead

1439
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:57,180
I'm afraid not no more words because you

1440
00:56:01,069 --> 00:55:58,440
know at this point we're already about

1441
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:01,079
three times as many words as there were

1442
00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:03,780
in the actual report itself so we'll

1443
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:06,800
just leave it wasn't hard to do yeah

1444
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,300
that's fair brother Chris Eddie last

1445
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:10,980
words on the report before we move on

1446
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,680
man uh you know I reached out to D Dean

1447
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,420
Johnson who's looked in a lot of the

1448
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,099
legislation and involved and everything

1449
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,440
and I tried to figure out does this

1450
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,900
reset the dates at all you know since we

1451
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:23,520
were expecting a report at the end of

1452
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,220
October and that thing was 70 plus days

1453
00:56:31,549 --> 00:56:29,040
late does this reset when we might get

1454
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:31,559
the next report or when this next annual

1455
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:34,260
report might come and he says it's it's

1456
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:36,300
not completely clear and I'll do a

1457
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:38,940
little more discussion of this on a show

1458
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:40,619
later this week that we're doing at the

1459
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,880
debrief uh but uh it doesn't appear that

1460
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,440
it's going to change the reporting

1461
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:48,480
timeline moving forward that we will

1462
00:56:53,809 --> 00:56:50,940
probably still look for another annual

1463
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:53,819
report probably sometime in June yeah

1464
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,140
I'll just add to that by the way Chris

1465
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,119
again what's actually mandated by

1466
00:57:01,490 --> 00:56:59,280
Congress in the National Defense

1467
00:57:03,049 --> 00:57:01,500
authorization act those dates still

1468
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:03,059
apply whether or not these agencies

1469
00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:04,859
comply with that and as we've seen they

1470
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:06,859
don't and often in fact outside of UAP

1471
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,420
that happens you know this is this is a

1472
00:57:14,329 --> 00:57:11,520
fairly common occurrence so yes the the

1473
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:14,339
official reporting dates as mandated by

1474
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:15,839
Congress remain in effect whether or not

1475
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:18,300
they choose to adhere to those and and

1476
00:57:24,049 --> 00:57:21,000
actually deliver on time yeah

1477
00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:24,059
yep yep yeah and I'm telling you guys

1478
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:28,020
over there at Eros if I don't get at

1479
00:57:33,549 --> 00:57:30,420
least one case in the next report I'm

1480
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:36,109
someone can uh buy somewhere in the

1481
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:40,680
skies for me I'm done telling you okay

1482
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:43,800
um let's move on uh another story that

1483
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:46,740
broke at the debrief was a opinion piece

1484
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:49,920
by Ryan Graves one of the the pilots

1485
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:52,500
from the East Coast incidents

1486
00:57:55,250 --> 00:57:53,700
um you know we've seen them on

1487
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:55,260
television we've seen him in interviews

1488
00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:57,000
uh he's gonna be coming out with a

1489
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:58,740
podcast which we have the trailer for

1490
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:00,180
I'm going to show a little bit later

1491
00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:03,839
here uh but Micah tell us a little about

1492
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,819
um how this all came about and what this

1493
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,160
piece was over there I feel like we're

1494
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:10,680
living in the year of um you know

1495
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:14,400
Aviation safety in UFO so I'll be happy

1496
00:58:17,450 --> 00:58:15,720
to speak on that point but you might ask

1497
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:17,460
Chris first because actually we we uh

1498
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,040
have Chris to thank for yeah oh

1499
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:22,559
fantastic to contribute that to us yeah

1500
00:58:28,250 --> 00:58:25,079
yeah please it was just a timing thing

1501
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:28,260
you know I I spoke to Ryan last year uh

1502
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:30,599
when he spoke at the aiaa conference

1503
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,720
about safety and Aviation safety and uh

1504
00:58:38,210 --> 00:58:35,760
so I just kind of kept tabs on what he's

1505
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:38,220
talking about on the internet and when

1506
00:58:43,069 --> 00:58:40,260
he when he came out and complained that

1507
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:43,079
the uh the Wall Street Journal had run

1508
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:47,460
these really biased articles uh that and

1509
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,040
that he had offered a response as a guy

1510
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:51,599
who's actually in the trenches who

1511
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,640
somebody's actually been out there with

1512
00:58:58,190 --> 00:58:55,680
other aviators experiencing these

1513
00:59:00,650 --> 00:58:58,200
situations and he just jumped on Twitter

1514
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:00,660
and said I can't believe they're turning

1515
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,180
down my article and so I just jumped on

1516
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:05,520
and told him hey at the debrief we'll

1517
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,619
definitely run it and uh reach out to

1518
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:09,599
our editor-in-chief Micah Hanks and

1519
00:59:14,930 --> 00:59:11,640
somehow those two gentlemen got together

1520
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:14,940
and within I don't know 36 hours that

1521
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:17,760
article was up and even

1522
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,180
oh and the bandwidth strikes again I'll

1523
00:59:25,309 --> 00:59:22,880
just clarify

1524
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,319
uh you know we generally don't reach out

1525
00:59:28,490 --> 00:59:26,640
to people and say hey we'll definitely

1526
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:28,500
run your article having never read it or

1527
00:59:33,650 --> 00:59:30,420
seen your writing and regardless of

1528
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,660
points you make uh but in in truth he's

1529
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:36,420
seeing Chris Express to him he said in

1530
00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:37,980
his tweet you know our editor-in-chief

1531
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:39,480
would be interested in talking with you

1532
00:59:43,309 --> 00:59:40,920
about that and so I did reach out to

1533
00:59:44,690 --> 00:59:43,319
Ryan and uh and I said to him I said if

1534
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:44,700
you would be interested in submitting

1535
00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:46,140
your essay we'll consider it for

1536
00:59:49,609 --> 00:59:48,059
publication that's of course the process

1537
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,619
the editorial kind of standard that we

1538
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,839
always hold uh and I want to Express

1539
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:54,000
gratitude not only to Ryan to agreeing

1540
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,040
to do that but also to Haley Morris who

1541
01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:59,040
is assisting with the aia's UAP

1542
01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:01,559
community that Ryan is currently the

1543
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:05,099
chair of Haley is really a great um

1544
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:07,260
individual in terms of her work behind

1545
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:09,660
the scenes helping to edit a lot of uh

1546
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:11,700
different uh contributions by bigger

1547
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,140
names you know and again we need people

1548
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,880
who are helping those who are delivering

1549
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,040
the message to make their messages

1550
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:19,440
concise and as accurate as possible so

1551
01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:23,099
once Ryan had submitted his uh his op-ed

1552
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:24,839
I'll give a bit of background on that in

1553
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,980
a moment but you know Haley and I

1554
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:27,599
admittedly went to work on the editorial

1555
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:30,720
process and as we would treat any op-ed

1556
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:32,940
length considerations you know grammar

1557
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,859
everything like that uh you know it

1558
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,720
underwent the exact same editorial

1559
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:38,160
process that any submission or anything

1560
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,660
that you know Chris or I or one of our

1561
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,799
team would submit to the debrief

1562
01:00:46,609 --> 01:00:43,920
republication underwent uh and uh that

1563
01:00:48,650 --> 01:00:46,619
said the finished product to me was

1564
01:00:51,289 --> 01:00:48,660
something that I felt as an editor was

1565
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,299
extremely powerful

1566
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:53,640
uh Chris really hit the nail on the head

1567
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:55,260
when he said you know this guy had been

1568
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:57,000
out there in the trenches and I think

1569
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,099
you know Holman Jenkins Jr who is an

1570
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,480
editor there at the Wall Street Journal

1571
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:03,599
who had written several op-eds about UAP

1572
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,280
and taking a fairly dismissive attitude

1573
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:06,960
again preemptively prior to the report

1574
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:09,000
being released arguing that most of

1575
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,799
these things appear to be

1576
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:12,960
um balloons and drones and things like

1577
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:15,420
this look Mr Jenkins is entitled to his

1578
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,819
opinions like anybody else is and I

1579
01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:18,960
don't fault him for having those

1580
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:21,540
opinions the issue I did have was that

1581
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,780
after several of these here we have a

1582
01:01:30,190 --> 01:01:27,359
you know former fa-18 Super Hornet

1583
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:30,200
fighter pilot who served in the U.S Navy

1584
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,440
uh I happen to know very uh well uh Ryan

1585
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:37,200
Graves background I happen to be very

1586
01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:38,819
familiar with you know some of the

1587
01:01:43,069 --> 01:01:40,619
operations that he assisted in in the

1588
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:43,079
Middle East and what have you uh and

1589
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:44,520
when it comes to our military servicemen

1590
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:47,160
and women I have a profound respect for

1591
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:49,859
their efforts uh in the furtherance of

1592
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:51,240
the American way of life and really

1593
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:53,819
really truly internationally speaking

1594
01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:57,119
you know the sustainment of

1595
01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:00,839
order right peace and and all the things

1596
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,240
that we hold dear we should at least as

1597
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,520
a 21st century Society a global

1598
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:07,920
citizenry you might say so all that said

1599
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:09,000
I mean this is a message that's

1600
01:02:12,170 --> 01:02:10,079
important to everybody not just

1601
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:12,180
Americans but I was a little dismayed

1602
01:02:14,990 --> 01:02:13,619
that the Wall Street Journal didn't seem

1603
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:15,000
to think it was important enough to take

1604
01:02:19,690 --> 01:02:18,900
the words of a U.S pilot you know a

1605
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:19,700
military

1606
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,200
member who is who has had these

1607
01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:24,480
experiences himself and see that as

1608
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:26,520
being as important for publication as

1609
01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:29,099
the opinion of an editor who has an

1610
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,099
obvious bias against this subject and so

1611
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,440
if Mr Jenkins has his right as he does

1612
01:02:39,770 --> 01:02:36,720
to have his opinions and to publish them

1613
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:39,780
I think it's only fair that Ryan Graves

1614
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:41,280
people like that who have had these

1615
01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:43,559
experiences themselves and who have

1616
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:45,000
experienced them while in the line of

1617
01:02:48,890 --> 01:02:47,220
duty he should be able to have his say

1618
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,900
as well that's fundamentally important

1619
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,640
and so for those and no one really did

1620
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:52,079
but I would just say that for those

1621
01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:53,280
because I'm sure there are probably some

1622
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,319
who would say well the debrief tends to

1623
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:57,359
be very much more biased you know toward

1624
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:00,720
pro-uap although we often do feature

1625
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:03,540
what I would say is commentary that

1626
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:06,059
advances The Narrative on UAP ESP

1627
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,460
especially as it relates to science when

1628
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,319
the Ukrainian UAP study came out which

1629
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:11,760
we were the first to report on by the

1630
01:03:16,609 --> 01:03:14,700
way when that came out and then the

1631
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:16,619
Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences

1632
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:18,119
came out and said we've actually

1633
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:20,040
essentially dismissed this entire study

1634
01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:21,720
nobody reported on that side of the

1635
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:23,819
story after being the first to report on

1636
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,280
that then we were the only media outlet

1637
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:27,839
that I know of that talked about the

1638
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:29,940
fact that the study was essentially

1639
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:32,280
rejected and finally got a quote from

1640
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,079
the actual principal author of that

1641
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,480
study with a lot of these pilot

1642
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:38,160
sightings and again taking the pilot

1643
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:40,500
safety issue very seriously the

1644
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,420
so-called racetrack UAP thing when that

1645
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:44,640
broke several weeks ago there's another

1646
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,740
side to that story too because it became

1647
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:48,960
abundantly clear in the in the days and

1648
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,220
the weeks following those initial

1649
01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:52,319
reports that a lot of these Pilots were

1650
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:55,140
seeing Starling satellites and so Ryan

1651
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,579
like you've done in the past having Mick

1652
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,559
West on your program and being open to

1653
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,240
dialogue from both sides which is

1654
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,700
fundamentally important to me I think we

1655
01:04:05,030 --> 01:04:04,079
have to be able to hear both sides of

1656
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:05,040
the story

1657
01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:08,520
yeah uh we also featured a commentary

1658
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:10,619
from Mick West commentary from Aviation

1659
01:04:13,490 --> 01:04:12,359
professionals Ryan Graves offered a

1660
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:13,500
quote for that and we told the other

1661
01:04:18,049 --> 01:04:15,780
side of that story yeah some of these

1662
01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:18,059
UFO sightings actually have a more

1663
01:04:22,849 --> 01:04:20,520
prosaic explanation but there's still an

1664
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,859
underlying theme that unites all this

1665
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,839
and that is that there are Aviation

1666
01:04:28,910 --> 01:04:27,119
safety challenges that result from

1667
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:28,920
Pilots seeing things they can't identify

1668
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:30,599
and being potentially distracted by

1669
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:32,940
these objects so we take pride in trying

1670
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,099
to tell the other side of the story in

1671
01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:36,960
various different cases which may not

1672
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:39,059
always fall in step with people's biases

1673
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:41,160
toward this subject when Holman Jenkins

1674
01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:43,140
and the Wall Street Journal repeatedly

1675
01:04:48,049 --> 01:04:46,380
offered a one-sided view on the topic if

1676
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:48,059
their publication wouldn't balance that

1677
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:49,859
equation the debrief chose to and so we

1678
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,900
were proud to publish Ryan Graves op-ed

1679
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:54,240
where he did outline all these Aviation

1680
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:56,040
challenges not only the military

1681
01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:57,780
personnel but also the commercial pilots

1682
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,980
face

1683
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:01,920
yeah right and I'm so happy you did that

1684
01:05:07,370 --> 01:05:04,500
you know to give him that opportunity to

1685
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:07,380
do so because again I I can't stress how

1686
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:08,160
many

1687
01:05:14,329 --> 01:05:10,440
um you know every time I go on a plane

1688
01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:14,339
I'm so like I I I'm inspired to you know

1689
01:05:19,309 --> 01:05:16,740
on the way out ask the pilot you know

1690
01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:19,319
have you ever seen anything or even the

1691
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:21,540
flight attendants I mean we've heard in

1692
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:23,220
some of the articles in the past from

1693
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:26,700
the debrief of events where you know one

1694
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:30,240
one uh you know civil aviation plane

1695
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:33,900
pilot had to take a nosedive to avoid an

1696
01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:35,700
object and two of the flight attendants

1697
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:39,059
were injured during a UAP event so this

1698
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,619
is the kind of stuff that's going on up

1699
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,960
there talk about uh collisions with

1700
01:05:47,150 --> 01:05:44,460
these things maybe it hasn't happened

1701
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,160
yet with military Pilots but it sure as

1702
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:49,440
hell happening in the civilian World

1703
01:05:52,910 --> 01:05:51,540
well you know again look at Pat Ryder's

1704
01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:52,920
statement in the audio that she featured

1705
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:54,540
from earlier again where he's saying

1706
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,220
that initially no military pilots and

1707
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:57,839
then he goes on to say no U.S Pilots

1708
01:06:02,329 --> 01:06:00,720
have had any kind of collisions but may

1709
01:06:03,950 --> 01:06:02,339
be true at least as far as known

1710
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:03,960
collisions but I mean there are some

1711
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:05,700
other suspected instances and outside

1712
01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:07,380
the United States the incident that

1713
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:08,700
you're referring to specifically was a

1714
01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:10,740
Porter Airlines aircraft that was coming

1715
01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:13,319
in for landing in Toronto uh in the

1716
01:06:18,289 --> 01:06:16,200
early morning back in 2016 uh the pilots

1717
01:06:22,370 --> 01:06:18,299
observed an object that they likened to

1718
01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:22,380
being a large upright flying donut that

1719
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:24,420
was on a potential Collision Course with

1720
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:25,859
their aircraft and so they had to

1721
01:06:29,930 --> 01:06:28,380
override the autopilot and take evasive

1722
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,940
maneuvers they did a nose dive as you

1723
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:31,920
described which caused the two flight

1724
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,539
attendants on board the aircraft to be

1725
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,039
thrown up against the wall one hit the

1726
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,720
ceiling they only have minor injuries

1727
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,680
and they were taken to a hospital

1728
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:39,359
immediately thereafter so they were okay

1729
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,480
but I mean this is a case in recent

1730
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:45,359
memory that I think clearly outlines the

1731
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,920
in the fundamental importance of

1732
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:49,440
understanding the safety challenges that

1733
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,660
UAP can potentially represent so again

1734
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:53,339
here's some other issue I got to talk

1735
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,140
about all those fine folks out there on

1736
01:07:00,829 --> 01:06:58,079
UFO Twitter who are saying drop the BS

1737
01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:00,839
threat narrative of UAP aren't a threat

1738
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:03,299
they don't mean us any harm first of all

1739
01:07:08,089 --> 01:07:05,640
how do you know that did they tell you

1740
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,099
do you have any evidence whatsoever of

1741
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:10,799
that second of all what people who are

1742
01:07:15,049 --> 01:07:12,539
constantly harping on the drop the

1743
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:15,059
threat narrative element you know what

1744
01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:17,880
they miss is in almost every instance

1745
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:19,859
where a Potential Threat is mentioned it

1746
01:07:23,809 --> 01:07:21,660
is mentioned just as such a Potential

1747
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,819
Threat sometimes it's also referred to

1748
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,920
as an indirect threat they're not saying

1749
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,839
UAP are armed with lasers and they're

1750
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:29,940
showing overt hostility toward U.S

1751
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,980
Pilots that's not what's being said what

1752
01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:33,599
is being said is that there are pilots

1753
01:07:37,069 --> 01:07:35,400
who say that they see UAP when there's

1754
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,079
anything in our airspace that does not

1755
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:40,079
obey the rules okay the other Pilots

1756
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:43,020
have to play through or play by you know

1757
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:44,700
if you're a U.S pilot and you're

1758
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:47,460
operating in U.S airspace then you have

1759
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:50,220
to operate in accordance with FAA

1760
01:07:53,390 --> 01:07:51,660
Federal Aviation Administration

1761
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:53,400
guidelines okay if you don't it's

1762
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,539
against the law that's a federal

1763
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:56,700
offenses I understand it so the thing is

1764
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,440
is that if there are objects in our

1765
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,480
airspace they that don't conform to

1766
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:02,339
those same standards that don't obey by

1767
01:08:07,010 --> 01:08:04,799
those rules then we have to acknowledge

1768
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:07,020
the Potential Threat that's what we mean

1769
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,460
when there's a threat it's not to try

1770
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:11,039
and issue concerns or to try and drive

1771
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:13,140
suspicions or to try and instill chaos

1772
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,059
and fear in the public by saying that

1773
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,040
the UAP may be hostile that there's an

1774
01:08:21,769 --> 01:08:18,960
invasion coming people fundamentally

1775
01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:21,779
misunderstand what the Potential Threat

1776
01:08:26,030 --> 01:08:23,819
means that's what that means that's what

1777
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:26,040
the challenge means we have to recognize

1778
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,779
that and I'm so glad yet again that

1779
01:08:32,530 --> 01:08:29,279
there are Aviation professionals like

1780
01:08:34,669 --> 01:08:32,540
Ryan Graves now chair of the UAP

1781
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:34,679
subcommittee or or Community there

1782
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,560
within the aiaa I'm so glad that Ryan is

1783
01:08:41,570 --> 01:08:39,719
trying to raise public awareness about

1784
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:41,580
that and when still in people's minds

1785
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,380
that no there's not a direct danger or

1786
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:45,839
threat there's never been any data that

1787
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:48,839
I know of that strongly suggests broadly

1788
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:51,779
that UAP represent a you know a kind of

1789
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,940
a threat or or that they exhibit some

1790
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:55,679
sort of consistent overt hostility

1791
01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:58,920
there's very little data but that

1792
01:09:02,749 --> 01:09:01,140
indirect threat as a result of objects

1793
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:02,759
that are sometimes in our airspace that

1794
01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:04,739
potentially may be behaving in ways that

1795
01:09:09,229 --> 01:09:07,259
could cause challenges or even safety

1796
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:09,239
concerns for Pilots that we have to take

1797
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:10,500
seriously

1798
01:09:16,370 --> 01:09:13,560
absolutely and you know Ryan is taking

1799
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,380
it very seriously so much so that he is

1800
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:18,719
starting a podcast so before we go any

1801
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:19,859
further I'm going to play the trailer

1802
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,319
for his upcoming podcast I'm super

1803
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:24,960
excited for this um I do want to say

1804
01:09:30,169 --> 01:09:27,540
guys Chris's Wi-Fi it's just been super

1805
01:09:33,349 --> 01:09:30,179
wonky tonight so um he did have to pull

1806
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:33,359
out of this episode but but he is in the

1807
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:34,859
chat here if you guys have any questions

1808
01:09:39,709 --> 01:09:37,319
for him and I'm sure you can reach out

1809
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,719
to him on Twitter and over at the

1810
01:09:44,150 --> 01:09:41,759
debrief as well um I do want to mention

1811
01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:44,160
before we show this little clip here two

1812
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:46,440
articles that Chris worked on over there

1813
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:48,779
at the debrief uh one is called physics

1814
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:51,779
Think Tank proposes method for detecting

1815
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,860
ET spacecraft using gravitational waves

1816
01:09:59,930 --> 01:09:57,540
um really interesting that came out

1817
01:10:02,229 --> 01:09:59,940
right at the tail end of 2022 and in

1818
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:02,239
2023 he just came out with an article

1819
01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:05,219
called Rocky exoplanet nearly the same

1820
01:10:10,970 --> 01:10:08,040
size as Earth found in Stars Capital

1821
01:10:12,590 --> 01:10:10,980
zone so again Christopher playing head

1822
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,600
of science over there at the debrief is

1823
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:14,880
just bringing the ET question to the

1824
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:17,160
Forefront please go check out those

1825
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:19,560
articles and a huge thank you to Chris

1826
01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:22,140
for attempting to join us tonight we did

1827
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:24,600
get some really good thoughts from him

1828
01:10:28,910 --> 01:10:27,420
on the UAP report so thank you Chris

1829
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,920
thank you

1830
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:30,960
um let's go ahead and play the clip for

1831
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:32,760
um Ryan Graves podcast Micah and then

1832
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,620
we'll come back on the other side with

1833
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,420
another piece that just dropped at the

1834
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:39,840
debrief from a very prominent UFO

1835
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:43,280
researcher but uh yeah let's go

1836
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:47,280
buckle up baby another UFO podcast guys

1837
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:49,500
just when I thought we were safe like uh

1838
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:52,860
now we've got Mr Graves coming into our

1839
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:55,260
territory but I can't wait

1840
01:11:04,910 --> 01:11:02,510
you know you and I have been doing this

1841
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,920
forever the thing I love about the

1842
01:11:09,229 --> 01:11:06,960
podcasting World maybe not UFO Twitter

1843
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:09,239
so much although I've made some amazing

1844
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:10,679
friends there but the podcasting world

1845
01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:13,320
is it's so supportive and we just build

1846
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:15,659
each other up you know when when Andy

1847
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,340
over at that UFO podcast came out

1848
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,500
everyone was like look out Sprague look

1849
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:21,719
out Hanks you've got some competition

1850
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,300
we don't see it that way Andy and I are

1851
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:26,340
like the closest to friends he was in

1852
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,020
the chat here earlier

1853
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,960
um we only help each other so uh yeah

1854
01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:32,460
what do you think he's coming out with

1855
01:11:37,790 --> 01:11:35,640
merged um yeah first of all um first of

1856
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,800
all I'm thrilled uh and all your points

1857
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:39,600
are are spot on again the more the

1858
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:42,060
merrier in my view we need more dialogue

1859
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:44,760
in this in this area and again uh you

1860
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:45,900
know the Wall Street Journal and other

1861
01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:48,179
Publications have a right to publish

1862
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:50,460
what they deem fit for publication they

1863
01:11:54,590 --> 01:11:52,280
are not required to have to feature

1864
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,600
perspectives of those you know like Ryan

1865
01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:56,159
Graves or anybody else and as much as

1866
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,920
the debrief tries to queer applicable

1867
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,199
where it can be done responsibly we try

1868
01:12:04,970 --> 01:12:03,360
to offer a perspective you know from

1869
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:04,980
from those as well as Skeptics you know

1870
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:06,900
who want to weigh in on this subject the

1871
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:08,940
podcast environment is great because it

1872
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:11,340
has the ability to provide long-form

1873
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:12,540
discussion

1874
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:15,960
about these issues and Ryan's is a voice

1875
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,760
that you know is all I think pretty

1876
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:19,260
evident at this point it's it's a voice

1877
01:12:22,189 --> 01:12:20,760
I think that we need more of out there

1878
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,199
I'm glad to see him going on shows like

1879
01:12:27,169 --> 01:12:25,440
Lex Friedman and Joe Rogan's podcasts uh

1880
01:12:29,810 --> 01:12:27,179
but him having merged is going to be

1881
01:12:31,729 --> 01:12:29,820
just another step toward removing this

1882
01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:31,739
stigma that's the resounding message and

1883
01:12:35,330 --> 01:12:33,780
pretty much all of Ryan's work right now

1884
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,340
is he's saying you know let's take this

1885
01:12:39,169 --> 01:12:37,440
issue seriously and how it relates to

1886
01:12:40,490 --> 01:12:39,179
aviators but let's remove these stigmas

1887
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,500
so that they're willing to come forward

1888
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:42,719
and talk about this and so you know he

1889
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,280
very much one of those Pilots the first

1890
01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:47,760
really outside of Dave fraver on a few

1891
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:50,580
of the other notable uh early uh you

1892
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:51,960
know focuses of those New York Times

1893
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:54,120
that first article from 2017 but the

1894
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:55,800
very next one the follow-up in 2019

1895
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:57,239
right there front and center there's

1896
01:13:02,330 --> 01:13:00,120
Ryan Graves uh in the New York Times he

1897
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:02,340
was the first uh to come forward about

1898
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:05,159
the 2014-2015 USS Theodore Roosevelt

1899
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:06,960
incidents and to say Hey you know our

1900
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:08,520
military is still having these

1901
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,780
encounters they're still seeing things

1902
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:11,760
they can't explain I'm very glad to say

1903
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,620
I got a call with Ryan and tomorrow

1904
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:15,120
in fact and he's not going to be

1905
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:16,980
catching up and uh and I hope to

1906
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:20,040
continue to support the aiaa's efforts

1907
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:22,440
and of course Ryan's personal efforts

1908
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:24,420
and that space going forward through

1909
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:26,940
2023 and on into the future

1910
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:31,199
absolutely well Future's one thing the

1911
01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:33,239
past is another and we have a gentleman

1912
01:13:38,090 --> 01:13:36,179
who has done so much for this field I

1913
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:38,100
don't even know where to begin I know

1914
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:40,440
both of us had the immense pleasure of

1915
01:13:46,010 --> 01:13:43,500
having him on our shows with the uh

1916
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,020
Second Edition release uh release

1917
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:49,260
release of his book Trinity and that was

1918
01:13:55,130 --> 01:13:52,440
the one and only Jacques valet and

1919
01:13:58,189 --> 01:13:55,140
Boom Out of Nowhere the debrief drops in

1920
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:58,199
an article by Jacque Valley uh was it

1921
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,300
yesterday or the day before it was

1922
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:02,640
yesterday okay tell us how this came

1923
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,920
about and uh give us a little background

1924
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:07,440
on what Mr valet is writing over there

1925
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:10,500
at the debrief well uh you know uh we

1926
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:11,820
have Chrissy Newton to thank for this

1927
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:13,500
who by the way I also want to mention in

1928
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:16,140
late 2022 uh Chrissy shared her first

1929
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,260
two bylines uh on a couple of articles

1930
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:20,640
that we did the first which was talking

1931
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:22,500
about the racetrack uaps and then the

1932
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,520
second the follow-up that was

1933
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:24,960
illustrating the more skeptical side of

1934
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,940
that argument the possible starlink

1935
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,040
connection which I mean is undeniable in

1936
01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:31,440
many of those cases but illustrating how

1937
01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:34,500
that's still a pilot safety issue which

1938
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:35,940
again is very fundamentally a part of

1939
01:14:41,149 --> 01:14:38,640
Ryan Graves uh message too that said

1940
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,159
coming over to the uh Jacques valet uh

1941
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:43,679
op-ed this was something that again uh

1942
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,300
Chrissy played a hand in helping to

1943
01:14:48,169 --> 01:14:47,280
arrange

1944
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:48,179
um

1945
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:51,780
I always want qualified scientists who

1946
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:53,340
can speak to this subject and there are

1947
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:55,320
two kinds of scientists these days who

1948
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:57,300
are engaged with this topic

1949
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:59,100
there are those who are new to the

1950
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:00,300
phenomenon

1951
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:03,480
and who have a again an admirable

1952
01:15:07,850 --> 01:15:05,699
interest and maybe level of knowledge

1953
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,860
and some incredible ideas about how we

1954
01:15:12,169 --> 01:15:09,360
might be able to resolve the UAP

1955
01:15:14,570 --> 01:15:12,179
question or at least come to a broader

1956
01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:14,580
better understanding of it and then

1957
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,900
there are those who are the scientists

1958
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,280
who were involved back before it was

1959
01:15:22,910 --> 01:15:19,560
cool to be involved and who had put

1960
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:22,920
their reputations at risk after having

1961
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:25,080
written extensively about this and

1962
01:15:29,209 --> 01:15:27,480
appeared at conferences and and appeared

1963
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:29,219
on television programs and documentaries

1964
01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:31,260
advocating the need for science applied

1965
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:33,739
to this subject well before 2017.

1966
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:36,719
there's probably no individual who has

1967
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,280
been more involved in that regard than

1968
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,280
Jacques valet again at the time back in

1969
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:44,100
the 1960s when he was he was actually

1970
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:45,780
working under Jay Allen heineck at

1971
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:47,580
Northwestern University he was

1972
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:49,739
completing his PhD or had just completed

1973
01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:52,020
it and uh was a young budding computer

1974
01:15:57,649 --> 01:15:55,380
scientist who was assisting the science

1975
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:57,659
advisor to the U.S Air Force and what of

1976
01:16:00,770 --> 01:15:59,219
course at that time was already and

1977
01:16:02,750 --> 01:16:00,780
today Still Remains the longest

1978
01:16:05,870 --> 01:16:02,760
systematic study of UAP conducted by

1979
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:05,880
military agency now let's just be clear

1980
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:08,520
Project Blue Book was not perfect valet

1981
01:16:14,390 --> 01:16:09,900
has said plenty about that over the

1982
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,400
years but in his 80s still going still

1983
01:16:18,970 --> 01:16:16,320
going strong still actively involved in

1984
01:16:22,610 --> 01:16:18,980
investigations and still trying to

1985
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:22,620
obtain alleged material associated with

1986
01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:26,340
UAP events and working with people like

1987
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:29,340
Dr Gary Nolan to analyze these and to

1988
01:16:32,270 --> 01:16:30,659
try and come to an understanding of

1989
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:32,280
whether or not we can discern things

1990
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:33,840
about the material structure of UAP

1991
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:36,540
through these analyzes you know this is

1992
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:39,179
important work and Jacques has been

1993
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:40,440
doing this for the better part of his

1994
01:16:45,470 --> 01:16:42,540
life actually I mean the majority of it

1995
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:45,480
and uh I've always admired Jacques I

1996
01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:46,800
don't have to always agree with someone

1997
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:49,380
like Jacque Valley or or Ryan Graves and

1998
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:50,940
all their perspectives to have profound

1999
01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:53,940
appreciation for their their views

2000
01:16:57,470 --> 01:16:56,040
um I've had my questions honestly about

2001
01:17:00,290 --> 01:16:57,480
the Trinity case and I think a lot of

2002
01:17:02,030 --> 01:17:00,300
UAP researchers are but if Congress is

2003
01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:02,040
going to say that they're going to

2004
01:17:06,050 --> 01:17:03,719
mandate a historical review to go all

2005
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:06,060
the way back to 1945 and to look and see

2006
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,100
if there's information that applies to

2007
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:09,840
that incident and see if we can resolve

2008
01:17:12,649 --> 01:17:11,219
once and for all if indeed there have

2009
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:12,659
been records retrievals the likes of

2010
01:17:16,250 --> 01:17:14,699
which melon and others say that they've

2011
01:17:18,590 --> 01:17:16,260
heard from reliable sources actually

2012
01:17:20,330 --> 01:17:18,600
have occurred I would much rather that

2013
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:20,340
actually happen than we sit around and

2014
01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:22,500
speculated about it you know for all

2015
01:17:25,970 --> 01:17:24,060
eternity is we've already spent decades

2016
01:17:28,910 --> 01:17:25,980
doing we've done enough speculation I

2017
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:28,920
think and so uh valet being the

2018
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,679
Trailblazer that he is in this article

2019
01:17:36,290 --> 01:17:34,320
uh it's an op-ed he's talking about how

2020
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:36,300
you know he had gotten kind of an

2021
01:17:39,709 --> 01:17:37,980
advanced look at some of the stuff that

2022
01:17:42,649 --> 01:17:39,719
came out and that was revealed in 2017

2023
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,659
and this uh in a classified setting of

2024
01:17:47,689 --> 01:17:44,880
course during his work uh with the

2025
01:17:49,790 --> 01:17:47,699
Bigelow Advanced uh era or Bigelow

2026
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,800
Aerospace Advanced space studies who

2027
01:17:53,870 --> 01:17:51,360
have been the contractor for the allsap

2028
01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:53,880
program back in your uh what was it uh

2029
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:56,699
between like 2008 and 2010 somewhere in

2030
01:18:02,030 --> 01:17:59,580
that neighborhood and um he's talking

2031
01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:02,040
about that aspect and and significantly

2032
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:03,960
about having built the capella database

2033
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:05,340
which of course he's discussed when he

2034
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:06,719
came on your program and Chrissy

2035
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:08,340
Newton's rebelliously curious program

2036
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,620
and my own show he and I had a lengthy

2037
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:13,199
discussion about capella this is not new

2038
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:14,820
information but what he's trying to

2039
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,440
emphasize and saying that he built this

2040
01:18:21,470 --> 01:18:17,760
database and this was a part of what

2041
01:18:23,450 --> 01:18:21,480
allsep did was that look you know part

2042
01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:23,460
of what we've done here is we've

2043
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:25,320
assembled a database he says I think

2044
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,000
less than 10 percent of all the accounts

2045
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,400
that were in that database were military

2046
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:30,960
and everybody put so much stock on the

2047
01:18:34,610 --> 01:18:32,340
military stuff but I mean you got to

2048
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:34,620
figure that I mean 90 percent of the

2049
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,719
best data that he felt that we had that

2050
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:38,400
we could put into a database had nothing

2051
01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:40,620
to do with these military encounters

2052
01:18:43,850 --> 01:18:42,360
and he says I think we may be missing

2053
01:18:46,490 --> 01:18:43,860
some of the most important data right

2054
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:46,500
now I thought it was very significant to

2055
01:18:51,530 --> 01:18:49,080
feature that op-ed from Dr valet one day

2056
01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:51,540
after the New York Times featured an

2057
01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:53,219
article that referenced valet's work as

2058
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:55,620
well and so what we often pride

2059
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,300
ourselves in doing again not a

2060
01:19:01,669 --> 01:19:00,239
explicitly UAP publication but the

2061
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:01,679
debrief being one that does try to

2062
01:19:05,149 --> 01:19:03,540
responsibly look at the science and how

2063
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:05,159
it can be applied toward that when the

2064
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:06,420
New York Times reported on these

2065
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,300
developments and valet's relationship to

2066
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,800
that study and how that's even been

2067
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:12,480
influential in the wording of the

2068
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:13,800
language that appeared in the final

2069
01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:15,960
version of the ndaa for 2023 that was

2070
01:19:20,570 --> 01:19:18,780
passed into law you read the story about

2071
01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:20,580
valet but when you come to the debrief

2072
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,159
now you get to hear his opinion about

2073
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:24,719
these developments their significance

2074
01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:26,699
and helping to put those into the proper

2075
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,100
historical context so again I remain a

2076
01:19:33,050 --> 01:19:31,440
supporter of Dr valet and his works I

2077
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:33,060
couldn't be happier that there are

2078
01:19:38,209 --> 01:19:34,920
people like him who long before it was

2079
01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:38,219
popular to do so was brave enough to

2080
01:19:43,130 --> 01:19:40,500
lead the charge and to carry on in that

2081
01:19:45,649 --> 01:19:43,140
effort and has I mean at his age he's

2082
01:19:48,290 --> 01:19:45,659
still going strong doing healthy you

2083
01:19:50,330 --> 01:19:48,300
know doing incredible work and I I hope

2084
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:50,340
that he'll continue we we really think

2085
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:52,140
highly of Dr valet

2086
01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:54,540
absolutely someone had to step on those

2087
01:20:01,070 --> 01:19:57,300
landmines for you and I to run forward

2088
01:20:04,010 --> 01:20:01,080
man yeah that's true that is true

2089
01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:04,020
yep absolutely that's really exciting I

2090
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:06,360
was really happy to see his name pop up

2091
01:20:11,630 --> 01:20:08,940
um well let's talk about the future of

2092
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:11,640
the debrief in UAP we don't have him

2093
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:14,100
with us but he's in the chat and he's

2094
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,360
the one who brought this up so I'm

2095
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:17,520
putting you on the spot Micah okay so

2096
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,020
something you could talk about great if

2097
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,600
not totally understand but Chicago

2098
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:24,000
O'Hare a case near and dear to my heart

2099
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:25,620
to many out there

2100
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:27,179
um every time I go through that airport

2101
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:29,520
I always go to that gate and just look

2102
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:31,800
out the window just in case just in case

2103
01:20:37,250 --> 01:20:33,840
and I ask you know the person at

2104
01:20:39,709 --> 01:20:37,260
Cinnabon or or um the the people at the

2105
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:39,719
counter or the desks there like hey what

2106
01:20:43,729 --> 01:20:42,000
did see anything back then

2107
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:43,739
um but

2108
01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:46,140
is there some developments possibly

2109
01:20:51,470 --> 01:20:48,540
happening with the Chicago O'Hare case

2110
01:20:54,110 --> 01:20:51,480
is this something you can talk about

2111
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,120
I can't talk about them that's fair

2112
01:20:58,729 --> 01:20:56,880
that's fair I'm just kidding actually uh

2113
01:21:01,209 --> 01:20:58,739
you know there's just an article it's

2114
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,219
gonna be awkward yeah

2115
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,120
we could do that we could go that way

2116
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,760
but no uh you know Chris has got a a

2117
01:21:08,689 --> 01:21:07,440
contact who we've spoken with and this

2118
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:08,699
has nothing to do with new revolutions

2119
01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:10,679
about the case I'll just be honest what

2120
01:21:14,209 --> 01:21:12,600
it is is it's a potential analysis of

2121
01:21:15,709 --> 01:21:14,219
what the flight dynamics of the object

2122
01:21:18,649 --> 01:21:15,719
that was observed during this famous

2123
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:18,659
incident might actually have involved uh

2124
01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:20,820
this is this is an area of

2125
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:23,340
and Gore of course I'm loath to try and

2126
01:21:26,810 --> 01:21:24,900
talk about a story before it's been

2127
01:21:28,430 --> 01:21:26,820
published I don't generally do that but

2128
01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:28,440
since Chris did bring it up I'll just

2129
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,360
mention it uh not that there's anything

2130
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:32,460
to hide but you know of course I want

2131
01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:33,600
people to go read it but then again if

2132
01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:34,980
we talk about it maybe more people will

2133
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:37,620
so uh but yeah the idea here is that uh

2134
01:21:41,149 --> 01:21:38,760
we're looking at the potential

2135
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,159
propulsion behind the object based on

2136
01:21:47,810 --> 01:21:43,920
certain Dynamics uh of the witness

2137
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:47,820
statements about this object and so uh I

2138
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,520
think that's a you know A continuing

2139
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,840
theme and Reporting especially in

2140
01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:54,000
Chris's work there for us at the debrief

2141
01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:56,520
but really I mean I I am wholeheartedly

2142
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:57,540
in support

2143
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,540
of of more scientists doing this and

2144
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,159
that is applying science toward trying

2145
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,040
to understand uh the Technologies behind

2146
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:07,980
UAP so if we can do that and this is

2147
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:09,719
something that in addition to in Chris's

2148
01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:11,820
excellent reporting on warp drives and

2149
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:13,500
all kinds of other propulsion mechanisms

2150
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,420
occasionally MJ benais and I will also

2151
01:22:19,790 --> 01:22:18,239
jump in there uh and comment on that but

2152
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:19,800
Chris has really led the charge in that

2153
01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:22,260
area of our reporting but this is also

2154
01:22:26,090 --> 01:22:24,120
an effort that's uh continued by the

2155
01:22:28,010 --> 01:22:26,100
scientific Coalition for UAP studies

2156
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,020
which is a scientific organization I'm

2157
01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:30,000
actually a member of that organization

2158
01:22:37,070 --> 01:22:33,480
too and uh it is important for us I

2159
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:37,080
think to look at the Dynamics the

2160
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:40,260
capabilities patterns that emerge in the

2161
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,500
abilities that UAP appear to display and

2162
01:22:47,209 --> 01:22:45,120
try to discern what technologies could

2163
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:47,219
facilitate that because as we move

2164
01:22:50,030 --> 01:22:48,540
toward a better understanding of the

2165
01:22:53,149 --> 01:22:50,040
flight Dynamics and thereby the science

2166
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:53,159
behind UAP not only is it possible that

2167
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:55,140
we may unravel the UAP mystery but we

2168
01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:56,699
may also be able to benefit from

2169
01:23:01,370 --> 01:22:59,340
replicating that Tech technology with or

2170
01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:01,380
without the acquisition of Crash records

2171
01:23:04,490 --> 01:23:02,580
retrievals in other words if we can

2172
01:23:06,169 --> 01:23:04,500
figure out through an observation what

2173
01:23:07,790 --> 01:23:06,179
UAP are doing we might be able to

2174
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:07,800
develop our own systems that can do that

2175
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:09,620
and those could lead to an incredible

2176
01:23:15,229 --> 01:23:12,540
scientific advancements that one day May

2177
01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:15,239
reshape the way that you know not only

2178
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:17,340
our military operates but more

2179
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:18,840
fundamentally really I mean free energy

2180
01:23:23,689 --> 01:23:21,780
or near free energy sources cleaner

2181
01:23:26,270 --> 01:23:23,699
energy sources and resources that can be

2182
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:26,280
used to help protect our environment and

2183
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,580
our planet our communication systems all

2184
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:30,960
kinds of different potential

2185
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,300
technologies that that again may be very

2186
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,800
beneficial to the future of humankind

2187
01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:37,260
and I've often wondered if we were

2188
01:23:41,149 --> 01:23:39,300
completely wrong about UFOs and these

2189
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:41,159
all really were just swamp gas and

2190
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:43,320
weather balloons and yet somehow the

2191
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:45,540
idea in our mind that there was some

2192
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:47,460
sort of advanced technology capable of

2193
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:49,920
these imagined things if that were all

2194
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:51,960
there were to UFOs wouldn't it be

2195
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:54,420
fascinating because it's still driving

2196
01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:56,280
science it's still something that's

2197
01:24:01,070 --> 01:23:58,739
inspiring people to enter scientific

2198
01:24:02,209 --> 01:24:01,080
fields to become experts and ask you

2199
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:02,219
know physics and astronomy and

2200
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:03,540
astrophysics

2201
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,580
I mean it's it's a fascinating subject

2202
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:07,440
but that's one byproduct of the study of

2203
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:09,300
it is that I hope that it will not only

2204
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:11,820
Galvanize efforts to resolve what uapr

2205
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:13,080
but it's also going to lead to new

2206
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,400
innovations that are going to help us

2207
01:24:19,250 --> 01:24:16,800
right here on Earth

2208
01:24:22,189 --> 01:24:19,260
absolutely you know I always look at

2209
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:22,199
this topic as what we aspire to be

2210
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:25,440
everything these UFOs and possible

2211
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:28,260
Advanced intelligences represent

2212
01:24:32,270 --> 01:24:30,120
they're always a step ahead and it's

2213
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,280
something we can truly truly hopefully

2214
01:24:38,030 --> 01:24:35,520
benefit from someday here back on Earth

2215
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:38,040
well let's talk about Innovation as we

2216
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:41,100
close things out here Mr Hanks what do

2217
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,860
you have coming at the debrief uh in the

2218
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,120
coming

2219
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:48,000
weeks days months year um what do you

2220
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:50,580
got going on over there and uh let us

2221
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:52,500
know where we can find everything if you

2222
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:54,540
don't mind well of course I do want to

2223
01:24:57,410 --> 01:24:55,800
mention podcasts over there at the

2224
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:57,420
debriefo we've got some very exciting

2225
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,699
announcements we have in addition to our

2226
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:01,920
existing Flagship program rebelliously

2227
01:25:06,410 --> 01:25:04,800
curious hosted by Chrissy Newton uh I'm

2228
01:25:07,610 --> 01:25:06,420
happy to say that uh Chris who's not

2229
01:25:08,990 --> 01:25:07,620
here right now but who's at home

2230
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:09,000
listening so we got to call him out

2231
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:10,860
Chris is going to be hosting a series of

2232
01:25:14,330 --> 01:25:13,020
Round Table discussions with the debrief

2233
01:25:16,490 --> 01:25:14,340
team and who knows maybe some other

2234
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,500
people will join us and chime in from

2235
01:25:20,030 --> 01:25:18,480
time to time it's going to be a really

2236
01:25:21,229 --> 01:25:20,040
good time with Chris because Chris as

2237
01:25:23,930 --> 01:25:21,239
everybody knows you know with a

2238
01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:23,940
background in comedy and and writing and

2239
01:25:27,229 --> 01:25:25,739
and all different kinds of writing from

2240
01:25:29,090 --> 01:25:27,239
writing comedy and doing science

2241
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,100
reporting for us but also being a

2242
01:25:34,490 --> 01:25:31,440
novelist Chris is very diverse in his in

2243
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,500
his interests and his abilities and um

2244
01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:36,719
when he told me he wanted to start doing

2245
01:25:40,610 --> 01:25:38,640
a kind of Round Table format podcast

2246
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:40,620
where we pick a topic and have the team

2247
01:25:45,050 --> 01:25:43,380
just kind of have fun with it I thought

2248
01:25:48,169 --> 01:25:45,060
this is great I got immediately excited

2249
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,179
United was extremely happy to hear this

2250
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:50,400
especially considering that our very own

2251
01:25:56,570 --> 01:25:52,920
MJ benais is also going to be launching

2252
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,580
a new news podcast for the debrief so in

2253
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:58,560
addition to our editorial uh production

2254
01:26:02,090 --> 01:26:00,659
and of course the video side of things

2255
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:02,100
that Christian Newton has really led the

2256
01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:04,380
charge with we've got our team members

2257
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:05,699
also stepping up to the plate Chris's

2258
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:07,260
thing I think is going to be video but I

2259
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:09,719
think the audio only podcast MJ will be

2260
01:26:14,810 --> 01:26:12,600
producing is going to be another content

2261
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:14,820
Edition that you can look forward to in

2262
01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:16,440
the various ways that we offer our

2263
01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:18,360
reporting through the debrief and of

2264
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:19,620
course you know for my own part I've

2265
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,420
been doing now for more than a decade my

2266
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:23,040
own podcast the name of which is the

2267
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:26,159
Micah Hanks program uh it had another

2268
01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:27,960
name before that many years ago if

2269
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,400
people have been following it for a long

2270
01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:30,960
time but I mean it's been going on for

2271
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:33,060
half a decade now under the the current

2272
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:36,120
name and uh I continue to report

2273
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:38,580
basically on all the major developments

2274
01:26:42,890 --> 01:26:40,440
from the debrief there on the Micah

2275
01:26:44,209 --> 01:26:42,900
Hanks program each and every week and

2276
01:26:46,430 --> 01:26:44,219
you can learn all about that at my

2277
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:46,440
website Micah dot com just go to the

2278
01:26:52,010 --> 01:26:50,280
podcast link there on my URL and you can

2279
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:52,020
find my show as well so there are a lot

2280
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:54,420
of podcasts coming out from Team debrief

2281
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,080
but we've also got some uh interesting

2282
01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,239
reporting coming up in the in the in the

2283
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:03,120
months ahead uh when I'm laying awake in

2284
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,679
the still hours of the morning unable to

2285
01:27:07,729 --> 01:27:06,239
sleep I'm often you know kind of

2286
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:07,739
orchestrating in my mind the things I

2287
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:10,020
want to publish and there's a piece I

2288
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,460
won't say too much about it just yet

2289
01:27:17,090 --> 01:27:13,760
I'll just say that this has to do with

2290
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,100
uh clandestine Aerospace developments

2291
01:27:22,510 --> 01:27:19,920
that could perhaps explain some UAP

2292
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:22,520
and this is a piece that I've been

2293
01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:25,800
progressively working on since even

2294
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:29,460
before we launched the debrief and this

2295
01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:30,960
I hope is going to come to fruition in

2296
01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:32,460
early 2023 but they're going to be some

2297
01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:33,719
big

2298
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:34,380
um

2299
01:27:39,950 --> 01:27:36,840
uh developments I think with that in the

2300
01:27:43,070 --> 01:27:39,960
weeks ahead uh because there's a whole

2301
01:27:45,649 --> 01:27:43,080
chapter to the UAP mystery that is a

2302
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:45,659
little closer to home and that makes it

2303
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:48,000
no less strange and so I hope to kind of

2304
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,800
dive into some of the reporting on that

2305
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:51,600
in the days ahead and of course we've

2306
01:27:56,810 --> 01:27:54,060
always got I think some of the very best

2307
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:56,820
in space Aerospace defense reporting

2308
01:28:01,490 --> 01:27:59,520
from the entire team Tim McMillan Chris

2309
01:28:02,689 --> 01:28:01,500
plain who was here with us MJ benais

2310
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:02,699
Chrissy Newton

2311
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:04,620
and of course yours truly so it's always

2312
01:28:08,330 --> 01:28:06,540
a fun time and we look forward to what

2313
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:08,340
the next 12 months will bring who knows

2314
01:28:11,330 --> 01:28:09,179
maybe we'll even get another

2315
01:28:12,890 --> 01:28:11,340
contribution or two from Ryan Sprague a

2316
01:28:14,209 --> 01:28:12,900
past contributor to the debrief and a

2317
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:14,219
guy who's written a lot of articles for

2318
01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:16,260
us over time so you know to everybody

2319
01:28:20,090 --> 01:28:17,940
who's helped get us to where we are we

2320
01:28:22,430 --> 01:28:20,100
appreciate that so much

2321
01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:22,440
absolutely man it's always a pleasure

2322
01:28:26,270 --> 01:28:24,780
working with you guys over there in any

2323
01:28:28,430 --> 01:28:26,280
capacity

2324
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,440
um the future looks bright and thank God

2325
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:30,960
we have you guys reporting on it over

2326
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:33,780
there at the debrief uh well thank God

2327
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,900
we have you run reporting on this here

2328
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:39,360
on somewhere in the skies because again

2329
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:42,060
this is your 300th episode and uh rough

2330
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:43,500
ballpark how many years has the show

2331
01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:44,940
been going now

2332
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:48,420
cheers buddy we are going back to I

2333
01:28:55,790 --> 01:28:51,840
believe it was early 2016. uh I haven't

2334
01:28:58,970 --> 01:28:55,800
missed a single Monday release date uh

2335
01:29:01,970 --> 01:28:58,980
my first guest was Mr Richard Dolan who

2336
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:01,980
gave me the time of day thank God as my

2337
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:04,440
first guest and here at number 300 I'm

2338
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:06,840
talking to one of my favorite people and

2339
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:10,080
that is you Mr Micah Hanks you have been

2340
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:12,900
so incredibly supportive of me since I

2341
01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:15,679
naively got into this field of eupology

2342
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:18,600
and uh man you've been just such an

2343
01:29:23,450 --> 01:29:21,480
amazing colleague but more importantly a

2344
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:23,460
friend uh so I couldn't think of a

2345
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:26,760
better way to kind of celebrate 300 with

2346
01:29:31,850 --> 01:29:29,520
you here so again cheers to you my man

2347
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:31,860
yeah cheers to you and just allow me to

2348
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:33,420
say I'm honored to be able to be here

2349
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:35,760
with you for number 300. let's go for

2350
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:36,960
300 more

2351
01:29:44,930 --> 01:29:42,239
Hanks at Micah Hanks check him out guys

2352
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:44,940
on Twitter everything else is over at

2353
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:47,760
the debrief.org I'm going to debrief

2354
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,560
with the audience here for just a little

2355
01:29:53,330 --> 01:29:51,840
bit so I'm gonna let you go man but

2356
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,340
thank you so much for your time tonight

2357
01:29:59,090 --> 01:29:55,679
and your insights they are of high value

2358
01:30:01,010 --> 01:29:59,100
and uh we will talk soon indeed thank

2359
01:30:03,890 --> 01:30:01,020
you Ryan and keep at it man you're doing

2360
01:30:07,790 --> 01:30:03,900
excellent work Godspeed

2361
01:30:11,090 --> 01:30:07,800
thank you I'll see you bye

2362
01:30:12,590 --> 01:30:11,100
wow guys that was awesome again my

2363
01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:12,600
special thanks to Micah Hanks and

2364
01:30:15,709 --> 01:30:14,280
Christopher plane Chris thanks for

2365
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,719
hanging out in the chat here buddy you

2366
01:30:19,729 --> 01:30:17,280
didn't have to do that

2367
01:30:21,470 --> 01:30:19,739
um that it was incredibly kind of you

2368
01:30:24,290 --> 01:30:21,480
um hopefully your Wi-Fi is up and

2369
01:30:26,209 --> 01:30:24,300
working now uh and we will have you back

2370
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:26,219
on to talk all about your awesome

2371
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,380
stories coming out over there with space

2372
01:30:31,790 --> 01:30:30,000
and technology and science at the

2373
01:30:33,470 --> 01:30:31,800
debrief so a special thanks to

2374
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,480
Christopher playing as well a special

2375
01:30:39,530 --> 01:30:35,760
thanks again to our Super Chat

2376
01:30:41,629 --> 01:30:39,540
contributors to James to Cheryl and to

2377
01:30:45,229 --> 01:30:41,639
Thomas really appreciate it guys again

2378
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,239
all super chats go back into making the

2379
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:48,239
show continue to grow and uh I can't

2380
01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:49,980
thank you enough and I can't thank you

2381
01:30:53,810 --> 01:30:52,440
enough for 300 episodes

2382
01:30:55,850 --> 01:30:53,820
um this is where I'm gonna start getting

2383
01:30:58,610 --> 01:30:55,860
emotional uh this show has changed my

2384
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:58,620
life in many ways and

2385
01:31:03,470 --> 01:31:01,139
um really gave me a purpose you know I'd

2386
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,480
written about UFOs I had an interest in

2387
01:31:07,310 --> 01:31:05,520
it um but again like I said at the top

2388
01:31:11,689 --> 01:31:07,320
of the show I never thought anyone

2389
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:11,699
wanted you hear my voice but clearly you

2390
01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:14,100
do so thank you thank you for giving me

2391
01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:16,920
your time every week I still can't

2392
01:31:21,709 --> 01:31:19,080
believe people you know listen and watch

2393
01:31:23,090 --> 01:31:21,719
this on their commutes to work or you

2394
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:23,100
know I have people reach out all the

2395
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:24,840
time and say the show got them through a

2396
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:27,840
rough time in their life or I have

2397
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:29,460
people say that they put it on to go to

2398
01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:31,139
sleep to which I take that as a

2399
01:31:36,530 --> 01:31:33,780
compliment you know I I really do

2400
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:36,540
um so thank you thank you for for 300

2401
01:31:41,390 --> 01:31:39,120
incredible episodes of the show like Mr

2402
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:41,400
Micah Hank said hopefully we will have

2403
01:31:47,570 --> 01:31:44,940
300 more coming for you guys as well um

2404
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:47,580
the chat is going crazy thank you guys

2405
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,159
you're so sweet so so sweet

2406
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:52,080
um I do have some updates that I want to

2407
01:31:58,310 --> 01:31:54,960
share with you before I wrap up here

2408
01:32:00,290 --> 01:31:58,320
um we are now let me see what I've got

2409
01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:00,300
here okay

2410
01:32:06,110 --> 01:32:03,060
um we are now on Apple subscriber

2411
01:32:08,570 --> 01:32:06,120
premium so for my Apple podcast

2412
01:32:10,490 --> 01:32:08,580
listeners if you're interested in

2413
01:32:12,169 --> 01:32:10,500
supporting the show uh this is a great

2414
01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:12,179
way to do it you really don't have to do

2415
01:32:16,010 --> 01:32:14,159
anything you just go to the top of your

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01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:16,020
Apple podcast feed of summer in the

2417
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:18,960
skies click that subscriber button and

2418
01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:21,540
what you will get is all of our backlog

2419
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:24,420
of bonus episodes that we've ever done

2420
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:26,760
um over at our patreon campaign you're

2421
01:32:30,169 --> 01:32:28,320
going to get all of those I'm rolling

2422
01:32:31,729 --> 01:32:30,179
them out slowly and gradually right now

2423
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:31,739
and you're also going to get early

2424
01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:35,760
access to the episode every week uh so

2425
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:37,679
yeah if you are on Apple or if you're

2426
01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:40,320
thinking of joining apple and listening

2427
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:41,880
to the show there you can now become a

2428
01:32:46,970 --> 01:32:43,980
premium subscriber and get bonus

2429
01:32:49,129 --> 01:32:46,980
episodes and uh early access to the show

2430
01:32:51,890 --> 01:32:49,139
as well it's super easy it's like two

2431
01:32:54,649 --> 01:32:51,900
clicks boom done you can subscribe

2432
01:32:57,770 --> 01:32:54,659
yearly you can subscribe monthly and you

2433
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,780
will get those reward in return

2434
01:33:01,490 --> 01:32:59,760
um or you can always join our patreon

2435
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:01,500
where you get the same rewards as well

2436
01:33:06,350 --> 01:33:04,159
and that's just patreon.com

2437
01:33:09,610 --> 01:33:06,360
somewhere Skies

2438
01:33:12,590 --> 01:33:09,620
um yeah let me take a drink here

2439
01:33:14,330 --> 01:33:12,600
so dry here in Scotland he wouldn't

2440
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:14,340
think that but it is

2441
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:15,120
um

2442
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:18,000
what else do we have coming up oh this

2443
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:19,320
is cool

2444
01:33:25,310 --> 01:33:23,040
um we have next week let me get this in

2445
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:25,320
here for you guys

2446
01:33:32,030 --> 01:33:28,800
um operation saucer and the UFO Island

2447
01:33:33,950 --> 01:33:32,040
this will be our episode next Monday on

2448
01:33:36,890 --> 01:33:33,960
somewhere in the skies not tomorrow but

2449
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:36,900
next Monday uh where we're traveling to

2450
01:33:41,629 --> 01:33:39,600
Brazil to hear about all of the amazing

2451
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:41,639
UFO events that have happened over there

2452
01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:44,520
and uh I am super excited to bring this

2453
01:33:48,050 --> 01:33:45,780
episode to you guys I've been

2454
01:33:50,810 --> 01:33:48,060
researching it for a while with my

2455
01:33:53,689 --> 01:33:50,820
co-researcher Marcus loath over at UFO

2456
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:53,699
insight.com so be sure to check out all

2457
01:33:56,689 --> 01:33:55,440
of his work over there and we're going

2458
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:56,699
to be bringing you a very special

2459
01:34:02,689 --> 01:33:59,760
episode about UFOs over Brazil titled

2460
01:34:05,810 --> 01:34:02,699
operation saucer and the UFO Island so

2461
01:34:08,689 --> 01:34:05,820
be on the lookout for that and also this

2462
01:34:12,050 --> 01:34:08,699
upcoming Friday be on the lookout for a

2463
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,060
special movie review episode where my

2464
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:13,679
really good friends back in New York

2465
01:34:18,890 --> 01:34:15,960
City Nicholas westermeyer who is an

2466
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:18,900
actor and a producer we produced a

2467
01:34:23,330 --> 01:34:21,239
feature film of mine called reverie Lane

2468
01:34:25,790 --> 01:34:23,340
which you can find right here on the

2469
01:34:27,470 --> 01:34:25,800
YouTube channel uh just go back in the

2470
01:34:30,050 --> 01:34:27,480
archives type in reverie Lane it should

2471
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:30,060
be there uh Nick is the main actor in

2472
01:34:33,709 --> 01:34:32,159
the movie as well uh so he's gonna be

2473
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,719
coming on and my other really good

2474
01:34:37,729 --> 01:34:35,760
friend and colleague Andrew Sanford who

2475
01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:37,739
is a television writer he's worked with

2476
01:34:45,169 --> 01:34:41,880
ABC he's coming out with a short film uh

2477
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:45,179
in in the coming months I hope if not

2478
01:34:51,470 --> 01:34:49,080
the uh second half of 2023 uh he is a

2479
01:34:53,149 --> 01:34:51,480
filmmaker writer comedian everything in

2480
01:34:54,590 --> 01:34:53,159
between uh these two guys are going to

2481
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:54,600
be coming on to discuss John Comfort

2482
01:35:02,330 --> 01:35:00,000
John Carpenter's 1982 the thing and um

2483
01:35:04,129 --> 01:35:02,340
I can't believe I'm saying this guys but

2484
01:35:06,410 --> 01:35:04,139
I've actually never seen the movie I

2485
01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,420
know I know I'm sorry I'm sorry I've

2486
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:08,639
never seen the thing

2487
01:35:13,250 --> 01:35:11,040
um but I watched it this afternoon I'm

2488
01:35:15,229 --> 01:35:13,260
gonna watch it again before Friday and

2489
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,239
we're going to give you our thoughts and

2490
01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:17,520
opinions on the thing I have no doubt

2491
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,320
these guys are gonna have a lot to say

2492
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:21,360
it's going to be a really fun and I'm

2493
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:24,480
sure funny time talking all about this

2494
01:35:31,610 --> 01:35:28,260
movie I uh made the mistake of eating

2495
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:31,620
chili while watching the thing so for

2496
01:35:36,410 --> 01:35:35,040
those of you who know the thing uh

2497
01:35:39,050 --> 01:35:36,420
eating probably wasn't the best idea

2498
01:35:40,430 --> 01:35:39,060
while watching this particular movie so

2499
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:40,440
I'll talk about that little Adventure as

2500
01:35:47,330 --> 01:35:43,620
well um so yeah be on the lookout for

2501
01:35:49,729 --> 01:35:47,340
that uh what else do I have for you guys

2502
01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:49,739
Sundays Sundays are going to be our

2503
01:35:55,370 --> 01:35:52,260
official day of live streaming I'm going

2504
01:35:58,850 --> 01:35:55,380
to be live streaming every Sunday now at

2505
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,860
4 P.M Eastern Standard 9 p.m UK time

2506
01:36:03,530 --> 01:36:00,960
and uh these episodes will either be

2507
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:03,540
like they are today uh the following

2508
01:36:07,550 --> 01:36:05,520
Monday's episode so what you're seeing

2509
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:07,560
tonight will be this Mondays somewhere

2510
01:36:11,570 --> 01:36:09,600
in the skies podcast

2511
01:36:14,030 --> 01:36:11,580
um so sometimes it will be the podcast

2512
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,040
for the following week

2513
01:36:18,169 --> 01:36:15,840
um or it might just be some fun

2514
01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:18,179
impromptu guests that come on and chat

2515
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,320
with me

2516
01:36:23,930 --> 01:36:21,600
um I might throw the link in so that you

2517
01:36:26,270 --> 01:36:23,940
the audience can come in and join me and

2518
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:26,280
we just talk UFOs uh it's gonna be super

2519
01:36:32,330 --> 01:36:29,280
fun I want to set a set time which is 4

2520
01:36:34,850 --> 01:36:32,340
P.M EST 9 p.m UK to do this every week

2521
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,860
so there's some consistency and the

2522
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:36,960
structure will change uh it'll be

2523
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,880
organic it'll gradually grow into

2524
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:41,280
something and I'm excited I'm excited

2525
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:43,199
for the future of somewhere in the skies

2526
01:36:49,310 --> 01:36:45,560
both here on YouTube and in podcast form

2527
01:36:51,110 --> 01:36:49,320
uh so be on the lookout for that let me

2528
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:51,120
go back in the chat here because I'm

2529
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:52,560
missing a ton

2530
01:36:58,250 --> 01:36:56,159
um we've got Grant here let's see

2531
01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,260
um lord of the fleet says many thanks

2532
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,760
Ryan currently reading your books

2533
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:01,679
somewhere in the skies thank you thank

2534
01:37:05,450 --> 01:37:03,600
you so much lord of the fleet really

2535
01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:05,460
enjoying it when I finished it I may

2536
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:07,500
well write you about an experience of my

2537
01:37:11,870 --> 01:37:10,320
own please please do that is the sole

2538
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,880
purpose of the book it is to empower

2539
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:13,920
more people to come forward with their

2540
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:16,560
UFO experiences so please reach out to

2541
01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:18,480
me and thank you so much for reading the

2542
01:37:21,410 --> 01:37:19,560
book

2543
01:37:22,910 --> 01:37:21,420
um cred says sacrilege I'm sure he's

2544
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:22,920
talking about me never seeing the thing

2545
01:37:28,510 --> 01:37:24,179
I know

2546
01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:30,890
you'll get my brutally honest thoughts

2547
01:37:35,570 --> 01:37:33,300
on the thing guys for sure

2548
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:35,580
um let's see here Christopher plain I

2549
01:37:38,810 --> 01:37:36,719
believe Ryan is working on the next

2550
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,820
edition of the book so definitely send

2551
01:37:42,169 --> 01:37:40,800
along your experience Christopher is

2552
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,179
correct

2553
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:43,920
um for any of you who are not aware I

2554
01:37:49,550 --> 01:37:46,560
have a new book coming out this spring

2555
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,560
um probably maybe May

2556
01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:52,080
maybe June somewhere around there I have

2557
01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:54,000
to check with the Publishers um but I am

2558
01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:56,820
working on the final touches of it as we

2559
01:38:01,370 --> 01:37:59,340
speak so be on the lookout for the new

2560
01:38:04,430 --> 01:38:01,380
somewhere in the skies book coming to

2561
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:04,440
you this spring and I actually just

2562
01:38:11,629 --> 01:38:07,620
secured the artist to do our book design

2563
01:38:13,370 --> 01:38:11,639
our book cover design and I am like mind

2564
01:38:16,129 --> 01:38:13,380
blown I can't believe I'm working with

2565
01:38:18,050 --> 01:38:16,139
them um I can't wait to see what they

2566
01:38:19,790 --> 01:38:18,060
come up with super honored to be working

2567
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,800
with this artist

2568
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:21,840
um if you follow my Instagram you know

2569
01:38:26,510 --> 01:38:24,239
them well I post about them all the time

2570
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:26,520
uh so yeah be on the lookout for a new

2571
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:29,280
book of somewhere in the Skies coming to

2572
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:31,679
you this spring it is going to pack a

2573
01:38:35,570 --> 01:38:34,500
punch and um I I can't wait for you to

2574
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:35,580
read it

2575
01:38:41,209 --> 01:38:38,400
definitely can't wait hello to zenzabil

2576
01:38:43,790 --> 01:38:41,219
welcome welcome as we're wrapping things

2577
01:38:46,129 --> 01:38:43,800
up here guys love you Ryan thanks again

2578
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:46,139
Chris thanks for being here buddy

2579
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,739
um

2580
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,960
Ryan Baker thank you so much as always

2581
01:38:54,410 --> 01:38:51,360
my friend hello to Michael Huntington

2582
01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:54,420
thank you so much for being here really

2583
01:39:00,770 --> 01:38:58,199
appreciate it guys Ben hello hello hello

2584
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,780
um if I'm not saying hello guys I just

2585
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:02,400
haven't scrolled up high enough but

2586
01:39:05,810 --> 01:39:03,840
thank you thank you to everyone for

2587
01:39:07,550 --> 01:39:05,820
being here as we are wrapping things up

2588
01:39:09,290 --> 01:39:07,560
just a few more things I want to share

2589
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,300
with you

2590
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:12,000
um You probably notice this little guy

2591
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:15,420
in the background here

2592
01:39:21,709 --> 01:39:18,420
um there it is there it is does that

2593
01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:21,719
look familiar this is a print by Dustin

2594
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:24,840
Williams of the communion alien and I

2595
01:39:30,350 --> 01:39:27,360
was so honored uh that he reached out to

2596
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,360
me and uh gave me this print so I am

2597
01:39:36,410 --> 01:39:32,880
displaying it proudly here on somewhere

2598
01:39:38,510 --> 01:39:36,420
in the skies and uh it's awesome I

2599
01:39:41,930 --> 01:39:38,520
absolutely love it for those of you who

2600
01:39:45,050 --> 01:39:41,940
don't know I have a actual a bust of the

2601
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:45,060
communion alien that I had made from me

2602
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:47,340
from a gentleman in Hollywood

2603
01:39:53,629 --> 01:39:50,639
um but it did not make it to Scotland it

2604
01:39:56,450 --> 01:39:53,639
is being securely taken care of back in

2605
01:39:59,149 --> 01:39:56,460
New York with my family for now

2606
01:40:01,129 --> 01:39:59,159
um I hope they hit it somewhere can you

2607
01:40:03,110 --> 01:40:01,139
imagine running into a communion alien

2608
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:03,120
bust in the middle of the night I can't

2609
01:40:05,870 --> 01:40:05,040
imagine sorry Dad sorry if that has

2610
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,880
happened

2611
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:07,920
um but Dustin was so kind to give me

2612
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:09,900
this print so it is now a part of

2613
01:40:15,110 --> 01:40:12,960
somewhere in the sky's HQ along with

2614
01:40:17,090 --> 01:40:15,120
this little guy

2615
01:40:20,689 --> 01:40:17,100
um I don't know if you guys haven't seen

2616
01:40:21,850 --> 01:40:20,699
this but I have an action figure which

2617
01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:21,860
is

2618
01:40:26,570 --> 01:40:24,420
crazy to me I don't know if you can

2619
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:26,580
really see it that well um this is from

2620
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,699
a action figure designer named Charlie D

2621
01:40:33,470 --> 01:40:31,199
Perez

2622
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,480
um again so honored that he made me look

2623
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:35,520
way better than I actually do way more

2624
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:38,040
muscular and thin

2625
01:40:44,209 --> 01:40:41,400
um but it is an action figure so it is

2626
01:40:46,669 --> 01:40:44,219
what it is and I am so freaking honored

2627
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:46,679
to have this here in the summer in this

2628
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:48,780
guy's studio

2629
01:40:52,669 --> 01:40:50,940
um what else do I have for you guys oh

2630
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,679
um Dustin Williams if you want a print

2631
01:40:57,110 --> 01:40:54,719
of the communion alien you can order

2632
01:41:00,890 --> 01:40:57,120
these in his shop uh so you can follow

2633
01:41:02,750 --> 01:41:00,900
him at dustinwilliams on Instagram and

2634
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:02,760
you can find his shop from there I

2635
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,040
believe it's in the show notes below as

2636
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:07,679
well so check him out and a big thank

2637
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,040
you to Dustin uh what else oh a new

2638
01:41:15,890 --> 01:41:13,440
season of Ancient Aliens just premiered

2639
01:41:17,870 --> 01:41:15,900
on the History Channel uh so you might

2640
01:41:21,110 --> 01:41:17,880
be seeing my face show up in a few

2641
01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:21,120
episodes this coming season and a few

2642
01:41:24,410 --> 01:41:22,980
other familiar faces that have been here

2643
01:41:26,510 --> 01:41:24,420
on the show

2644
01:41:30,050 --> 01:41:26,520
um had the amazing opportunity to film

2645
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:30,060
out here in the UK for it so uh yeah be

2646
01:41:33,649 --> 01:41:31,679
on the lookout for new episodes of

2647
01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:33,659
Ancient Aliens every Friday on the

2648
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:35,580
History Channel or uh I believe it's on

2649
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:39,060
Sky TV in the UK and uh look for me and

2650
01:41:43,010 --> 01:41:40,260
some other people talking all about

2651
01:41:46,609 --> 01:41:43,020
aliens not so much Ancient Aliens but

2652
01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:46,619
just aliens of today uh yeah so there is

2653
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:47,880
that

2654
01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:57,060
300 episodes thank you so much thank you

2655
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,500
thank you thank you from the bottom of

2656
01:42:03,290 --> 01:42:01,440
my heart for uh supporting me in every

2657
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:03,300
way whether it's listening to the show

2658
01:42:08,750 --> 01:42:05,520
watching these buying the book

2659
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:08,760
um it is greatly greatly appreciated uh

2660
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:10,260
beyond belief like I said somewhere in

2661
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,080
the sky says fundamentally changed my

2662
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:15,600
life and uh my Outlook on this

2663
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,239
incredible topic that we all have in

2664
01:42:22,970 --> 01:42:20,159
common a topic that brings us together

2665
01:42:25,370 --> 01:42:22,980
instead of Tears us apart and when those

2666
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:25,380
answers finally come if they ever come

2667
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:28,860
uh I think it'll be to the benefit of

2668
01:42:32,030 --> 01:42:29,940
humanity

2669
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:32,040
at least I hope so um so I hope you

2670
01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,600
enjoyed tonight I hope you enjoyed our

2671
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:35,940
breakdown of the UAP report and all the

2672
01:42:39,410 --> 01:42:37,800
other stuff we talked about again my

2673
01:42:41,870 --> 01:42:39,420
special thanks to Micah Hanks and

2674
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:41,880
Christopher plane for joining us and my

2675
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:44,239
special thanks to all of you as always

2676
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,480
and with that I will leave you with our

2677
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,400
slogan that we say here every week at

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somewhere in the skies keep your feet on

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the ground but never stop searching

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somewhere in the skies have a great

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night guys and keep looking up

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[Music]

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